Relighting match | Imamother

amother

OP ↓

Sat, Oct 05 2024, 11:08 pm

If the match goes out while you are lighting candles are you allowed to relight the match from one of the candles you already lit?
Is there a difference between shabbos and yom tov for this?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 10:18 am

One of my children learned that you're not allowed to relight the match from one of the existing lit wicks.
Wondering if this is something generally accepted that I've never heard of or just one rav's opinion.
Also would like to know why

Hashem_Yaazor ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 10:20 am

You're not supposed to go down in kedusha, so to light a candle from a candle is fine as they're both part of the lights you're making a bracha on, but to take a flame from one of kedusha to light something that's just a "helper" (the match you don't make a bracha on), that you're not supposed to do.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 10:35 am

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

Thanks for this explanation.
I heard that's why you're supposed to hold the match at the wick for a second so the flame is one and then you can use the match to light the other wicks. Is that not the case?

Ema of 5 ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 10:40 am

amother OP wrote:

If the match goes out while you are lighting candles are you allowed to relight the match from one of the candles you already lit?
Is there a difference between shabbos and yom tov for this?

My father told us that you are not supposed to take from a candle on which a Bracha was or will be made. This is for shabbos OR Yom tov, it doesn’t make a difference.

ra_mom ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 10:47 am

amother OP wrote:

You can use the match to light multiple candles/wicks, but should use a candle/wick to light the match.
That's why on Y"T we have an extra 2-3 day candle sitting for just this purpose- a candle we aren't using to make a bracha on.

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↑ Hashem_Yaazor ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 10:57 am

amother OP wrote:

I'm not sure I'm understanding your question, but when lighting (Shabbos/YT/Chanukah), you're supposed to hold the lit match/candle to the inner you're lighting long enough that the one being lit fully forms its own flame, and not just a quick touch. Is that what you are referring to?
The helper candle/match can always be used to light other candles as you're not making a bracha on it.
And you can use one candle you're saying a bracha on to light another candle you're saying a bracha on for Shabbos/YT.

↑ Hashem_Yaazor ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 10:58 am

ra_mom wrote:

You can use the match to light multiple candles/wicks, but should use a candle/wick to light the match.
That's why we have an extra 2-3 day candle sitting for just this purpose- a candle we aren't using to make a bracha on.

You're talking about YT to transfer a flame, since you can't create a new one, right?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 11:08 am

ra_mom wrote:

When I light the match originally I use a separate candle or flame from stove. But I'm asking about if it goes out while in middle of lighting the candles. Do you go back to the extra candle or stove to relight the match?

↑ ra_mom ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 11:10 am

amother OP wrote:

Yes you're supposed to.

↑ ra_mom ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 11:10 am

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

You're talking about YT to transfer a flame, since you can't create a new one, right?

Yes

amother

↑ OP ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 11:11 am

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

Right. So it's the same concept of holding the lit match to the candle so it forms a full flame and then you're not taking away from the candle flame because the match now has its own flame.

↑ ra_mom ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 11:13 am

amother OP wrote:

Right. So it's the same concept of holding the lit match to the candle so it forms a full flame and then you're not taking away from the candle flame because the match now has its own flame.

I don't think this is a thing. You can use the helper match to light the candle you'll be making a bracha on, and use the match to light another candle you're making a bracha on, without needing to hold the match to the candle extra nor form a full flame.

amother

Papayawhip

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 11:18 am

So funny I always have the same question.
Whats if your in a rush to light and your match gets extinguished. Is it preferable to strike another match or to just relight it from a lit candle?

↑ Hashem_Yaazor ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 12:24 pm

amother OP wrote:

Right. So it's the same concept of holding the lit match to the candle so it forms a full flame and then you're not taking away from the candle flame because the match now has its own flame.

I don't think it's for this reason. Even if you were to use a candle you are making a bracha on, you're supposed to light it fully that it forms its own flame. It has to do with actually accomplishing the hadlaka.

↑ Hashem_Yaazor ↓

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 12:25 pm

amother Papayawhip wrote:

So funny I always have the same question.
Whats if your in a rush to light and your match gets extinguished. Is it preferable to strike another match or to just relight it from a lit candle?

You can use a candle (if you use candles) that is part of your Shabbos candles to light or strike a new match, either is fine.
(I personally use a lighter.)

ETA: note that I specified Shabbos candles, this is not ok for YT

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amother

Cinnamon

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 12:38 pm

Wait I almost always run out of match mid lighting shabbos candles and just put a match to the already lit candles to continue lighting the rest. Is that an issue?

For yt I bring one of my shabbos candles over to my 2day candle and use a match to light it. Then I bring the kit candle back to my other candles and use a match to transfer the light the rest of my candles. That's a problem?

amother

↑ OP

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 12:41 pm

Thanks all.
I've been doing it wrong and will now try to be more careful.
It's harder for me because due to safety, especially on yt, the extra candle is not easily accessible so if the match goes out going to relight it is annoying.

amother

Ivory

Sun, Oct 06 2024, 12:48 pm

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

You can use a candle (if you use candles) that is part of your Shabbos candles to light or strike a new match, either is fine.
(I personally use a lighter.)

I learned that you cannot light from on of your Shabbos candles even to light another, that you need to light a new match.