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chocolate moose

Wed, Aug 15 2007, 6:58 am

flying with a newborn to a 3rd world country for a bris? dang.

↑ Motek

Tue, Sep 18 2007, 3:37 pm

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Chabad Terminal Erected in the Kiev Airport

Over twenty thousand Breslever Chassisim arrived in Kiev on their way to Uman, and the Chabad shliach, Rabbi Asman, following a meeting with the Ukrainian Prime Minister, Victor Yushchenko, arranged for them to skip all of the usual customs and passport control procedures. After deplaning they received their suitcases and went directly to a specially erected terminal, and from there they boarded busses to Uman. Rabbi Asman was thanked by the Breslev Rabbonim, the airport staff, and Israeli tourism minister Mr. Ahronovitz who was also present, for all of his efforts.

http://chabad.info/index.php?u.....=9825

batya_d

Tue, Sep 18 2007, 10:21 pm

chocolate moose wrote:

flying with a newborn to a 3rd world country for a bris? dang.

I was just thinking the same thing... my friends with newborns avoid even taking them to very public places (restaurants, etc) until they get most of the vaccines at around 8 wks. Kal v'chomer, flying with a newborn to the Ukraine???

roza

Wed, Sep 19 2007, 2:55 pm

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What happens when a Jew who is a slave to creature comforts finds himself on Rosh Hashana in Uman, Ukraine, with 30,000 Chassidim and no hot running water?

Nice account on aish.com

http://www.aish.com/spirituali.....n.asp

Ruchel ↓

Wed, Sep 19 2007, 3:05 pm

Ukraine is not third world country. You do not need other vaccinations than usual, except some people may be at risk for tuberculosis or measles or encephalitis, and you should ask your doc before going.

↑ hadasa ↓

Wed, Sep 19 2007, 10:37 pm

Ruchel, you don't want to know what a hospital in Ukraine looks like.

farmom

Wed, Sep 19 2007, 10:54 pm

Have you been there, Hadasa?
In Uman the hospitals are probably awful, b/c it's a small town, but it is not far from both Kiev and Odessa, both big cities. All the big cities throughout Ukraine and Russia have increasingly normal hospitals.
They are not as aesthetically pleasing as, say, one in the US, but the medical care and equipment is improving tremendously.
(this is not to say I would bring a week old baby there - or fly anywhere with one for that matter. But I live in Russia, and this (mis)conception of third world conditions all over has driving me crazy lately)

↑ hadasa ↓

Wed, Sep 19 2007, 11:21 pm

Ukraine is very different from Russia, and while things in the big cities are improving, they're still a far cry from what's considered "normal" in Western countries.

↑ Ruchel

Thu, Sep 20 2007, 5:09 am

hadasa wrote:

Ruchel, you don't want to know what a hospital in Ukraine looks like.

No, although I'm not sure it's sooooo much worse than a bad hospital in France Sad

qtwife ↓

Fri, Sep 19 2008, 6:58 am

Ukraine is a real description of a 3rd world country they dont even have regular cellphone service there.

Crayon210

Fri, Sep 19 2008, 7:12 am

How did we define third world countries before cellphones? LOL

Imaonwheels

Fri, Sep 19 2008, 7:45 am

My ex is a Breslov chassid and goes every year. He took each of our boys before age 7 as they have an inyan. My ds who is DL is going this year and was there last year. Between the Lubavitchers and Breslov Yitzhar is pretty empty of men on RH.

Women Bresolers organize groups at other times as it is not considered shayach for them to be on RH. After hearing from my boys they are right for tznius reasons. I have a neighbor who goes with a womens' group every summer.

↑ hadasa

Sat, Sep 20 2008, 3:17 pm

qtwife wrote:

Ukraine is a real description of a 3rd world country they dont even have regular cellphone service there.

Now that is not true. There most definitely is cellphone service and has been for quite a few years.

Fox

Sun, Sep 21 2008, 12:10 am

There was an article in Mishpacha or Binah a few years ago profiling women whose husbands go. It sounded really lovely! In some cases, all the women in the extended family spent RH together; in other cases, neighbors collaborated on meals, etc. All the women spoke not only about the spiritual benefit received by their husbands, but how they felt they got a bit of a break, as well. The key seemed to be planning ahead for their husbands' absence. One of the women described her menu with great affection and enthusiasm: she makes all the dishes that she likes but that her husband doesn't care for!

I was ready to sign DH up, but apparently it's not a big minhag among Telzers. LOL

Oh, well!

greentiger

Sun, Sep 21 2008, 1:03 am

Fox wrote:

Oh, well!

Thank you for that.

My husband goes, and it seems like people have such a negative attitute towards the whole thing (and I don't blame them since I did too before I got married and understood what it meant to my husband).
My husband doesn't "leave me". He goes with my full consent and I tell others that they would too if their husbands felt so passionatly about Uman the way my husband does. Trust me, my husband does not enjoy sleeping crammed in a room with 11 other guys or using a communal shower. He often comes back sick from the whole thing, but to him, (coming from a family has been going for generations), and being there every year for as far back as he can remember, R"H wouldn't be the same if he couldn't go. He gets a spiritual lift for the whole year.

As for me, I am looking forward to going to my sister. Instead of sitting around the whole morning feeling depressed about not being able to daven in shul, I will be in good company and hopefully we can take turns with the kids to let each other daven.

willow

Sun, Sep 21 2008, 2:43 am

greentiger, that was so beautiful. I really appreciate hearing the "other side". I never understood how a husband could leave his family for Yom Tovim. I always felt that the family especially children lose out from a spiritual and chinuch standpoint. So I am glad to read something positive on it.

↑ e1234

Sun, Sep 21 2008, 8:56 am

my husband also goes.
I know how important it is for him and how much it does for the family.
He's not going to play around - he's going to daven at the grave of a tzaddik on one of the holiest days of the year.

↑ miriamnechama

Sun, Sep 21 2008, 9:30 am

my husband goes too... also he take a cell with and last year bought a ukrainian sim so we are incontact.

ds1 used to go but teh prices are crazy and I had told dh then that ds can't go this year c\us of my ticket to london for my brotehr's wedding.... well that's all over but he's still not going.

fox or whoever it was said tyaht women get together.. I personally don't like getting together withother women.. I think I'm different because I'm english and I've had plenty run ions with women about shaitels etc so now I prefer kee to myself. also my hashkafas arec hanging for other things including chabad but that's how it goes in dh's familly.

so usually I stay home by night and go out to one friend by day.. I'malso verypicky about that.

dh always told me that thoe who can't get to uman go tomeron instead.. and if thoe who can't do that go to the klois inmeah shearim.. but whatever the case is beitar is pretty empty of chassdidm of all sorts..

Mini Cookie

Sun, Sep 21 2008, 12:42 pm

Though we are not Breslov & my DH doesnt go to Uman he does go to Eretz Yisroel for 2 weeks (from before RH till after Yom kippur) to our Rebbe. Unfortunately I get the mostly nasty & negetive comments from pple that think Im off my mind or suffering from a bad marriage (CHV). And they rub it by saying "I can NEVER manage with my husband gone so long"... "But the kids need a Totty"..."I can barely fall asleep if my husband comes home late"

The truth is IT AINT EZ! But its a break from normal life & we miss each other like crazy. I end up having a nice time since all the married men in the family go so we all "camp out" @ my mothers' & have a great girls only 2 weeks!

ChossidMom

Sun, Sep 21 2008, 1:29 pm

Well, my husband does not leave E"Y and doesn't go to Uman, but he does go to his Rebbe in Bayit Vegan. I used to go with the kids to my parents in Har Nof and dh would walk back and forth to BVG a few times but that is no longer an option. For the last couple of years we have been renting an apartment in Bayit Vegan. I do all the cooking and bring it all with us. We also have friends there with whom we eat one or two meals. They are also Amshinov Chassidim so our hours coincide. It's a big effort doing this but my husband couldn't imagine not being with his rebbe for Rosh Hashana. It's also alot of fun for the kids to get a change of scenery.

BTW my very modern nephew (married + kids) went one year to Uman as a medic and he loved it so much that he goes every year now!

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