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FranticFrummie  




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 9:27 am
The novel coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19 has spread from the site of the original outbreak in China to affect 75 countries around the world. If effective controls aren't put into place, COIVID-19 could ultimately infect between 40% and 70% of the population worldwide in the coming year, according to Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch.

Most of those cases would be mild, and some people might show no symptoms at all. But the prospect of being infected with a new virus can be frightening. The symptoms to look out for, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), are fever, coughing and shortness of breath. These symptoms usually appear between two days and two weeks of exposure to the virus.

According to a report in the Journal of the American Medical Association, as many as 98% of COVID-19 patients have a fever, between 76% and 82% have a dry cough, and 11% to 44% report exhaustion and fatigue.


I feel this way right now. It could be seasonal allergies, or a cold, or CVS coronavirus. How am I supposed to know if I should go to the hospital or not? On the other hand, is it just my regular fibromyalgia flare and chronic fatigue? I'm highly prone to bronchitis and pneumonia because of past infections, and I'm 54 years old.

WWYD?
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mfb




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 9:30 am
I would probably call my primary doctor if you have one. Not sure how it works in Israel
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avrahamama




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 9:31 am
Isn't there a hotline in Israel? I thought they already bset up a hotline and have people coming to your house to test you at home
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thunderstorm




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 9:31 am
I would go to my primary care physician to rule anything out. I wouldn’t rush to the ER first
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Goldie613




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 9:35 am
Got this from someone whose shul emailed it out - maybe it would be a help to you and others?

Really short version - don't worry, but if you are worried, call before going to your doctor so that they can keep you separate from other patients.

Refuah Shelaima!

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National Council of Young Israel

Dr. Aaron Glatt

Coronavirus Precautions

While the new novel coronavirus, COVID-19, has caused illness that has been widely covered in the news media, and the number of cases worldwide has grown substantially with 80,000+ confirmed cases worldwide in about 40 countries, there are still no confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New York State or the New York metropolitan region. However, with the first case of unclear transmission in the US just described in California, we wanted to update our shul goers.



There are currently no specific recommendations for shuls, although we will continue to update the shul should new information become available.



If you have not traveled to an area where COVID-19 is prevalent or been in close contact with a traveler, and you develop respiratory symptoms, it remains likely that you have a seasonal illness like the flu rather than COVID-19.



At the present time, we urge common-sense and regular hand washing (as appropriate), with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, or with an alcohol-based hand sanitizer if soap and water are not available.



Good personal hygiene practices, including covering coughs and sneezes are also important. To do this optimally, cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, and then throw the tissue in the trash and wash your hands. If you don’t have a tissue available, cough or sneeze into your elbow.



Other appropriate actions include avoiding touching your eyes, nose and mouth and disinfect objects and surfaces that are frequently handled.



At this time, we do not have a strict recommendation against hand shaking or kissing the sefer Torah or mezzuzos for people who are not at all sick. Use common sense.



The CDC does NOT recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory illnesses, including COVID-19. Facemasks should only be used by lay people who have symptoms of respiratory diseases, and who must be in public - to help prevent the spread of the disease to others.



Most importantly, several great poskim have personally told me and clearly stated that one must stay home and not go to shul if you are sick with a potentially contagious respiratory illness.



This is a good time to remind everyone that over 30,000,000 people in the US this season have gotten flu, with between 16,000-30,000 deaths, including over 100 children. Flu vaccination is still indicated! By not getting or transmitting flu, you will not only save lives, but you will greatly help doctors who will have less patients to evaluate with unknown respiratory illnesses.



We should make sure there are alcohol-based hand sanitizers in the lobby areas. Custodial staff should be diligently cleaning our shuls and checking dispensers for hand soap and hand sanitizer to ensure that they are filled at all times.



If you recently traveled to a country with ongoing person-to-person transmission of COVID-19: As long as you are asymptomatic, you are probably not a risk to others. However, it is prudent to check your temperature twice a day and monitor for any respiratory symptoms for at least 14 days from the time you left that country. If you have any symptoms or fever, see your doctor as soon as possible, but call the office or center first so they can appropriately isolate you upon entry to the office before they evaluate you.



May our teffilos be accepted by Hashem and may this epidemic soon end.
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Rappel




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 9:35 am
At the moment - I wouldn't assume you have COVID-19. It's just not frequent enough in Israel for it to be a major concern, unless you have had contact with a known element.

Assume you have a virus, or your fibromyalgia, and I hope you have a big pot of chicken soup and a cozy blanket. Feel better, FF!
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amother
Beige


 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 9:48 am
If you are worried about COVID-19, it could also be the flu. And the flu is not to be taken lightly either.
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  FranticFrummie  




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 10:02 am
amother [ Beige ] wrote:
If you are worried about COVID-19, it could also be the flu. And the flu is not to be taken lightly either.


My doctor said that Israel ran out of flu shots 3 weeks ago. I've been in contact with a lot of people who travel back and forth to Jerusalem a lot, and I'm constantly on public transportation.

I guess I'll just wait and see how I feel. What scares me, besides being sick, is that I might spread it if I do have it. I feel flu-ish and achy all the time, all day, every day. How am I supposed to know if I'm a danger to others?

I have to go get blood work done tomorrow. Maybe I can get a test while I'm there.
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nchr




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 10:08 am
FranticFrummie wrote:
My doctor said that Israel ran out of flu shots 3 weeks ago. I've been in contact with a lot of people who travel back and forth to Jerusalem a lot, and I'm constantly on public transportation.

I guess I'll just wait and see how I feel. What scares me, besides being sick, is that I might spread it if I do have it. I feel flu-ish and achy all the time, all day, every day. How am I supposed to know if I'm a danger to others?

I have to go get blood work done tomorrow. Maybe I can get a test while I'm there.


If you are not feeling well, regardless of what is causing the illness, just staying home and caring for yourself is the best way to not spread any disease to others. I'm not sure a test would really help you because, unless you have underlying health conditions (I.e. heart disease, respiratory disease, are on immune suppressing medications, etc.) there is nothing to do but to stay home and wait it out. I just said some tehillim for you so that you will have a Refuah Shalaima. Obviously, if you ch'v become very ill or feel you need urgent medical attention, please call hatzolah and get yourself the care you need as soon as you can.
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Elfrida  




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 10:20 am
FranticFrummie wrote:
My doctor said that Israel ran out of flu shots 3 weeks ago. I've been in contact with a lot of people who travel back and forth to Jerusalem a lot, and I'm constantly on public transportation.

I guess I'll just wait and see how I feel. What scares me, besides being sick, is that I might spread it if I do have it. I feel flu-ish and achy all the time, all day, every day. How am I supposed to know if I'm a danger to others?

I have to go get blood work done tomorrow. Maybe I can get a test while I'm there.


No. You can't. The kuppot do not have test kits for covid-19. And if you think you have it, they don't want you inside (even with a mask) and infecting everyone else. If you have to go to the kuppah, call them first, so they can have a private room available (which they will then have to clean minutely afterwards with chlorine solution) and take full precautions to protect themselves and other patients.

If you think there is a real risk that you have been in contact with a carrier, call the hotline. The number is on the Misrad HaBriut website. If necessary MDA will come to your house to test you. Cases in Israel are still very limited. Everyone who has tested positive has caught it in chutz l'aretz.

Either way, stay at home, rest, and look after yourself. You might want to put off the bloodwork for a couple of days. Ask your doctor how urgent it is.

(Not that it is really significant, but we still had flu shots available last week, and in certain locations they are still giving them. Maybe a different kuppah.)
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  FranticFrummie  




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 10:34 am
Elfrida wrote:
No. You can't. The kuppot do not have test kits for covid-19. And if you think you have it, they don't want you inside (even with a mask) and infecting everyone else. If you have to go to the kuppah, call them first, so they can have a private room available (which they will then have to clean minutely afterwards with chlorine solution) and take full precautions to protect themselves and other patients.

If you think there is a real risk that you have been in contact with a carrier, call the hotline. The number is on the Misrad HaBriut website. If necessary MDA will come to your house to test you. Cases in Israel are still very limited. Everyone who has tested positive has caught it in chutz l'aretz.

Either way, stay at home, rest, and look after yourself. You might want to put off the bloodwork for a couple of days. Ask your doctor how urgent it is.

(Not that it is really significant, but we still had flu shots available last week, and in certain locations they are still giving them. Maybe a different kuppah.)


Thank you for the valuable information! I think I will put off the blood work, and possibly cancel my Thursday job if I'm still feeling crummy. The top of my lungs feel really tight, and I have this weird, sort of strangling dry cough. Fever under 101 degrees F, but definitely there.

Regarding the flu shot, I'm with Maccabi, in Beit Shemesh. My GP said they were done until the next season, and it was too late to get the shot even if they had it.
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  Elfrida  




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 10:53 am
Covid-19 normally presents with a dry cough and high fever. So do a lot of other lung diseases. A lot of the risk assessment is based on epidemiological data.

If the current situation lasts more than a day or two or gets worse, you want medical attention. Kepp an eye on the fever situation. At this stage I would be more inclined to think of bronchitis than covid-19. Or even just a cough.

Rest, and have plenty of hot drinks. Call you doctor if you need to. And try not to panic!
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etky  




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 10:54 am
Elfrida wrote:
No. You can't. The kuppot do not have test kits for covid-19. And if you think you have it, they don't want you inside (even with a mask) and infecting everyone else. If you have to go to the kuppah, call them first, so they can have a private room available (which they will then have to clean minutely afterwards with chlorine solution) and take full precautions to protect themselves and other patients.

If you think there is a real risk that you have been in contact with a carrier, call the hotline. The number is on the Misrad HaBriut website. If necessary MDA will come to your house to test you. Cases in Israel are still very limited. Everyone who has tested positive has caught it in chutz l'aretz.

Either way, stay at home, rest, and look after yourself. You might want to put off the bloodwork for a couple of days. Ask your doctor how urgent it is.

(Not that it is really significant, but we still had flu shots available last week, and in certain locations they are still giving them. Maybe a different kuppah.)


There are 2 people who caught it from the guy in Or Yehuda: his wife and a soldier who is a worker at his store.
I agree with the advice to call your doctor or the hotline. Do NOT go to the clinic.
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  etky  




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 11:10 am
FranticFrummie wrote:
Thank you for the valuable information! I think I will put off the blood work, and possibly cancel my Thursday job if I'm still feeling crummy. The top of my lungs feel really tight, and I have this weird, sort of strangling dry cough. Fever under 101 degrees F, but definitely there.

Regarding the flu shot, I'm with Maccabi, in Beit Shemesh. My GP said they were done until the next season, and it was too late to get the shot even if they had it.


Pertussis is also going around now.
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southernbubby




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Mar 03 2020, 11:27 am
I am currently completely under the weather with what my family assumes is the flu because I kissed the precious face of my little grandson who tested positive for flu.
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  FranticFrummie  




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Mar 04 2020, 3:51 am
Blech, it's not allergies. I woke up with a rattling cough, and I'm losing my voice. No significant fever though, and low grade fevers are fairly common for me when I flare up.

I canceled all of my jobs for the rest of the week. I'm not even going to get on public transportation. B'H I have enough food in my freezer to keep me fed through Shabbos, and then some. Even if it's just a cold, I don't want to cough on an elderly person, CVS.

I'm afraid that if I leave the house and cough, I'll cause a public health crisis and city-wide pandemonium. Everyone is so scared of coronavirus, I honestly don't blame them.

(On the other hand, I was invited to come in for a job interview today. I told him I thought I was sick, and he says "I'm not scared of a little cold!". Either this guy has amazing emunah, or he doesn't read the news. I told him I'd rather wait until next week, all the same.)
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amother
Cyan


 

Post Wed, Mar 04 2020, 3:58 am
Refuah shleimah FF!

Thank you Goldie for the helpful info!

Wishing everyone abundant robust health and a truly Freilichen Purim!
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  etky  




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Mar 04 2020, 4:10 am
etky wrote:
There are 2 people who caught it from the guy in Or Yehuda: his wife and a soldier who is a worker at his store.
I agree with the advice to call your doctor or the hotline. Do NOT go to the clinic.


Make that 4 people as of last night.
A HS kid caught it working at the store and now his whole high school is in self-quarantine.
He was also at the Derby the other night so now there are several thousand people who were in his section of the stadium who have to go into quarantine.
The 4th person is the assistant principal of a Kiryat Ono area school. The 5th grade class that she teaches is now in self-isolation.
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  FranticFrummie  




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Mar 04 2020, 4:32 am
etky wrote:
Make that 4 people as of last night.
A HS kid caught it working at the store and now his whole high school is in self-quarantine.
He was also at the Derby the other night so now there are several thousand people who were in his section of the stadium who have to go into quarantine.
The 4th person is the assistant principal of a Kiryat Ono area school. The 5th grade class that she teaches is now in self-isolation.


OYSH. This just makes me really want to self quarantine for a few more days, until I know for sure that I'm not going to have a high fever (that seems to be the differential for diagnosis.)

I couldn't live with myself if I made anyone else sick or CVS die. Sad Having a quiet Shabbos alone is a small price to pay.
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WitchKitty




 
 
    
 

Post Wed, Mar 04 2020, 5:11 am
FranticFrummie wrote:
My doctor said that Israel ran out of flu shots 3 weeks ago.

It was in & out the whole winter, I got the shot 3 weeks ago- Leumit.

FranticFrummie wrote:
I have to go get blood work done tomorrow. Maybe I can get a test while I'm there.

The only place that does the tests for covid is tel hashomer.

As far as I've understood, there have been no cases in Beit Shemesh.
Look at this logically: where have you been on buses? Because if, for example, there would have been someone on a Jlm bus, you would not be the only one not feeling well- and you are.
You haven't been anywhere where a case was.
If you're nervous, call *5400, Misrad Habriut, they take suspected cases very seriously and can tell you if there's any chance you have it.

Feel better!
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