Do you actually know someone who was vaccine injured?

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 6:25 pm

amother [ Black ] wrote:

Therein is your mistake. Vaccinated /= safer. Vaccines cause injuries. Some are visible, immediate, and known. Others are more insidious, long-term, and not known. Vaccine-injured people aren't better off.

And the average person in society is vaccinated and will most likely be healthy and live to be 80 or more. Our health is dependent on many things and it's beyond ridiculous to assert that healthy people are walking around with insidious, vaccine induced diseases. You can get further blaming the junk we eat for the state of our health.

amother

↑ Black ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 6:26 pm

southernbubby wrote:

I agree that it is a wise decision but the hospital has to keep illnesses such as measles away from her and have the right to exclude non-vaccinated people from the unit. And although she can't expect people to be immunized for every germ, it looks like everyone recognizes that the risk that they undertake to vaccinate could increase her safety. Not every cancer patient can avoid taxis and other forms of transportation where the passenger that just got out infected the car. Again, why would they or anyone for that matter, advocate for your right to choose if it might negatively impact their family?

The hospital can exclude any visitors from the unit during the time of an outbreak. Vaccinated people aren't guaranteed to be immune, you know that? I personally know of 4 fully vaccinated individuals who got measles now.

Cancer patients who need to take taxis should protect themselves with face masks, etc. As I said, it's not only measles or hepatitis B (ha!) that can be harmful to them. Common cold, stomach flu, and RSV are also harmful and they would do best protecting themselves.

If we don't know whether vaccines contribute to cancer rates, we don't know whether we're not possibly creating a vicious cycle of more people who will be immuno-compromised one day...

amother

↑ Crimson ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 6:26 pm

amother [ Denim ] wrote:

In order for this study to be accurate all other possible factors must be equal. Meaning: they need to have similar diets, use similar cleaning supplies and technology, and have similar genetics. It's too complicated to isolate just the vaccine factor.

Gimme a break. Are they controlling for all these factors when they do their safety studies?

amother

↑ cornflower ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 6:30 pm

amother [ Black ] wrote:

Impairment of fertility is a condition. What's the problem?

The problem is there are many reasons why a couple can’t conceive and carry a pregnancy.

Infertility is just a word to describe a couple who can’t conceive after trying for a certain period of time.

↑ nchr ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 6:31 pm

amother [ Crimson ] wrote:

Gimme a break. Are they controlling for all these factors when they do their safety studies?

The variable is the vaccine in this study. We're analyzing significant adverse reactions. How is food relevant here? But it would be relevant to long term longevity/health - as would weight - happiness - stress - financial situations - etc.

If you study something applicable to longterm health over 40 or 60 years you'd essentially need 1,000s of identical twins, of whom's parents decide to only vaccinate one. Then, as they age, they will need to live in the same cities, have the same amount of children, eat the same diet, engage in the same amount of exercise, have the same personality/emotions/etc. work in a similar field etc. in order to see if the only difference in 40 or 60 years was a vaccine.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 6:31 pm

amother [ Black ] wrote:

Bla bla bla
I already heard all of this baloney

If you can't study it because it's too complicated, allow everyone to decide what works for them. Where there's risk, there must be choice.

So schools have decided that these VPDs are risky and made a choice. They chose to trust the vaccine rather than anti-vaxers rhetoric. Good job Albany.

amother

↑ Denim ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 6:31 pm

amother [ Crimson ] wrote:

Gimme a break. Are they controlling for all these factors when they do their safety studies?

The difference is that safety studies are saying "we don't see any significant differences". The safety studies you're asking for are asking to prove causation when it's unclear if there's any correlation.

amother

↑ Black ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 6:35 pm

southernbubby wrote:

Those children who died from vaccines aren't living to be 80 or more.

It's not beyond ridiculous to assert that children and adults today are suffering from developmental delays, gastro issues, cancer, infertility, autoimmune conditions and disorders, learning disabilities, autism, and much more. Hamaspik is raking it in. Early intervention and special needs therapies and "mainstreamed" seminaries make up half of the ads in the Jewish local circulars.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 6:44 pm

amother [ Black ] wrote:

But many things go into the development of cancer so why is the focus on vaccines? Cancer existed long before people were routinely vaccinated and as I said before, exists in countries where it's hard to obtain vaccines. My great grandma died of colon cancer and probably only had the smallpox vaccine. Would you have thought smallpox was safer?
I am not sure what the vaccination rates were in Chernobyl when the reactor blew but cancer rates mushroomed. How could vaccines have even played a minor role.
The anti-vaxers act as though we are all incubating vaccine induced cancer and I am not sure where that theory comes from.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 6:53 pm

amother [ Black ] wrote:

Albany removed choice.

The choice is to homeschool. People don't like the attitude because there were anti-vaxers who infected people and simply didn't care and the public's reaction now is "we simply don't care" (about excluding anti-vaxers). Maybe we are not really safer by excluding kids who may never catch or spread measles but staging anti-vax rallies at the height of the outbreak made you the enemy and the decision in Albany was the victory.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 7:14 pm

amother [ Black ] wrote:

But vaccines may not have caused any of it so why are you painting this picture of a vaccine injured person on every corner when it could very well be caused by something else?

amother

↑ Black ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 7:25 pm

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

“When there is risk there must be choice” - has nothing to do with any study you are seeking.

Either prove there is no risk or give choice as to which risk to take.
How is it ok for government to tell us, we don't know much about this but you still gotta do it "for the greater good"?

amother

↑ cornflower ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 7:31 pm

amother [ Black ] wrote:

Either prove there is no risk or give choice as to which risk to take.
How is it ok for government to tell us, we don't know much about this but you still gotta do it "for the greater good"?

Gotta?

Take some political theory classes.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 7:41 pm

amother [ Black ] wrote:

Either prove there is no risk or give choice as to which risk to take.
How is it ok for government to tell us, we don't know much about this but you still gotta do it "for the greater good"?

What they are basically saying is that you aggravated your fellow community members so badly that they found a way to get rid of you. Inviting Handler and Bigtree here was a bad move and it doesn't sound too good to claim that Hamaspik rakes it in from vaccine injuries when you have no idea why these special needs exist.
Are anyone besides anti-vaxers fighting for choice in Albany? I'm not, even though I don't think Gardasil should be mandated. Most people don't seem to care

amother

↑ Black ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 7:42 pm

southernbubby wrote:

We don't know where cancer comes from. Is it so foreign to assert that POSSIBLY (we don't know unless it's studied), the vaccines that are created from continuous cell lines which multiply on their own can be cancer-causing? Is it so foreign to assert that POSSIBLY the vaccines that contain DNA fragments cause mutations in the person injected with them? The SV40 contamination of the polio vaccine is a well-known error on the part of the vaccine industry.

amother

↑ Black ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 7:44 pm

southernbubby wrote:

Homeschooling is not a choice for two-income families.

By your statement here, it is clear that the mandate was punitive rather than an attempt to prevent future outbreaks.

amother

↑ cornflower ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 7:52 pm

amother [ Black ] wrote:

Homeschooling is not a choice for two-income families.

By your statement here, it is clear that the mandate was punitive rather than an attempt to prevent future outbreaks.

Was she the one making the decision?

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sun, Aug 04 2019, 7:52 pm

amother [ Black ] wrote:

Anything is possible but because we are exposed to numerous carcinogens, cancer can't be blamed solely on vaccines and we know that cancer has existed in medical literature for more than a thousand years. So until it can be clearly demonstrated that certain cancers are caused by vaccines, then it remains merely a possibility. Maybe the anti-vaxers want to fund research but meanwhile, most of us want the protection against VPDs and want eradicated diseases to remain eradicated.