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amother
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 Wed, Oct 11 2023, 8:46 am
| amother Teal wrote: | Can you clarify the different things I see?
I see people wearing a tied tichel like thing with a brown material in front, maybe meant to look like hair? And I see people wearing that same tichel thing with big bangs in front (like just the bangs of a sheitel) and I see people wearing the tichel with nothing in front.
Is that tichel called a shpitzel? Or the whole things together with the bangs/material?
What's the difference in the types of fronts? |
A Shpitzel is like a cap that goes on your head, with silk threads in the front. On top of that goes a form and then either a tichel or a hat.
A shaitel in the front only (bangs) with a tichel or a hat is called a “front”
Some people wear just a tichel with no Shpitzel.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 17 2023, 9:50 am
| GLUE wrote: | Can satmar wear a hat without a shaitel?
Can they wear a tichel without a shpitzel? |
Yes and yes. A tichel without a Shpitzel is considered even more frim. But it’s for sure the most common to wear a Shpitzel with a tichel
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amother
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Wed, Oct 18 2023, 6:56 pm
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lemaasa, when is the big change happening?
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pege
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Mon, Nov 18 2024, 9:27 am
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Where can I get a shpitzel I would love to get one but I'm truly afraid to get one I would love to change but I first would like to try it on for my husband.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 18 2024, 9:32 am
Good for you! Hope it all goes smoothly!
I bench you that your life should spiritual and uplifting in all areas as well.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 18 2024, 9:36 am
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What about starting with silky tichels before jumping to a shpitzel
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pege
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Mon, Nov 18 2024, 10:00 am
| amother Navyblue wrote: | | What about starting with silky tichels before jumping to a shpitzel |
You wear a tichel together with a shpitzel.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 18 2024, 10:12 am
| pege wrote: | | You wear a tichel together with a shpitzel. |
.. 💯 true.
But wearing a tchel is not wearing a shpitzel. That's why I was suggesting op take step without jumping
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amother
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 7:15 am
| pege wrote: | | Where can I get a shpitzel I would love to get one but I'm truly afraid to get one I would love to change but I first would like to try it on for my husband. |
Where are you located? There are plenty of people selling shpitzlech. Would you like me to pm you?
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amother
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 7:22 am
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Is blogging and having access to internet in sync with your values that move you towards putting on a shpitzel? Doesn't sound like same medreigah across the board.
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amother
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 7:24 am
| amother OP wrote: | | I’m very nervous. It’s a big change. No one in my family wears one. |
I'm not ch'v knocking or questioning those who wear Shpitzels. If someone grew up in such a community I think it is wonderful that she continues to wear one. But for you did not grow in a community that wears them or even seems to value wearing them what is motivating you to want to change?
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amother
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 7:27 am
How can you tell that it was reported?
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Lily
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 7:35 am
| pege wrote: | | Where can I get a shpitzel I would love to get one but I'm truly afraid to get one I would love to change but I first would like to try it on for my husband. |
Why would you want to do this? I understand wanting to cover more, or replace a wig with a more modest hair covering. I could see going from not covering hair to putting on a wig or switching from wigs to a fabric hair covering like a scarf or hat. I don’t understand specifically wanting to wear a shpitzel. It’s not more modest. You’re not doing the mitzva better than just covering your hair with a scarf. A shpitzel is something a specific group uses and will look a little different or strange if you’re not living among people who wear that. It will make you stand out. The whole point of tznius is not standing out.
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amother
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 8:10 am
| amother Lily wrote: | | Why would you want to do this? I understand wanting to cover more, or replace a wig with a more modest hair covering. I could see going from not covering hair to putting on a wig or switching from wigs to a fabric hair covering like a scarf or hat. I don’t understand specifically wanting to wear a shpitzel. It’s not more modest. You’re not doing the mitzva better than just covering your hair with a scarf. A shpitzel is something a specific group uses and will look a little different or strange if you’re not living among people who wear that. It will make you stand out. The whole point of tznius is not standing out. |
Op is satmar , the community that wears shpitzlech, so she will not stand out.
In satmar, shpitzlech is a higher level of tznius.
Putting aside the point of whether it's halacha or not to wear a sheitel, a shpitzel is more modest and attracts less attention than a sheitel
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amother
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 8:26 am
| amother Junglegreen wrote: | | I'm not ch'v knocking or questioning those who wear Shpitzels. If someone grew up in such a community I think it is wonderful that she continues to wear one. But for you did not grow in a community that wears them or even seems to value wearing them what is motivating you to want to change? |
In my community there are shpitzlech. Just not in my immediate family
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amother
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 8:28 am
| amother Lily wrote: | | Why would you want to do this? I understand wanting to cover more, or replace a wig with a more modest hair covering. I could see going from not covering hair to putting on a wig or switching from wigs to a fabric hair covering like a scarf or hat. I don’t understand specifically wanting to wear a shpitzel. It’s not more modest. You’re not doing the mitzva better than just covering your hair with a scarf. A shpitzel is something a specific group uses and will look a little different or strange if you’re not living among people who wear that. It will make you stand out. The whole point of tznius is not standing out. |
Yes you’re right. For someone who isn’t affiliated with satmar, there’s nothing special about a Shpitzel. And even for someone who is satmar, the main point is to wear a shaitel (hair looking) alternative. It happens to be for me, I thought about other options, (plain tichel, hat ect) and decided on a Shpitzel because I identify with the satmar crowd and want to be seen as a satmar lady.
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amother
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 8:40 am
| amother Celeste wrote: | | Is blogging and having access to internet in sync with your values that move you towards putting on a shpitzel? Doesn't sound like same medreigah across the board. |
There are 613 mitzvos. It's not all or nothing. If someone wants to improve in one area you don't ask them if they're perfect everywhere else. It's a tactic of the yetzer hora. Let her start where her heart desires and don't discourage a beautiful thing.
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amother
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 8:50 am
| amother Bergamot wrote: | | There are 613 mitzvos. It's not all or nothing. If someone wants to improve in one area you don't ask them if they're perfect everywhere else. It's a tactic of the yetzer hora. Let her start where her heart desires and don't discourage a beautiful thing. |
Well said and so true! Thank you. And to be honest this whole thing has changed a lot of aspects of my Yiddishkiet for the better. Especially in regards to tznius.
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amother
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Tue, Nov 19 2024, 9:33 am
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OP this thread is a year old and I do not think you ever updated us, did you change to a shpitzel in the end ? wanna share about that?
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