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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 6:07 pm
I listen to Israeli music a lot and it’s so annoying when certain singers pronounce the “ch” as “h”.
I’m talking about Israeli singers. Eyal Golan and Peer Tasi do this all the time… why?
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 6:12 pm
amother OP wrote: | I listen to Israeli music a lot and it’s so annoying when certain singers pronounce the “ch” as “h”.
I’m talking about Israeli singers. Eyal Golan and Peer Tasi do this all the time… why? |
Because they are first generation sefaradim who come from countries that don’t pronounce the ches sound
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 6:43 pm
Oy this is so misinformed. They absolutely do pronounce the ches sound, it just doesn't sound like the Ashkenazi ches. It's not a "h" sound at all. Anyone who is an expert in nusachim will tell you that it's closer to the original than the Ashkenazi version. The ches and chaf are not supposed to sound indistinguishable. Rabbanim and knowledgeable people from those countries are makpid to pronounce the ches that way in tefila and krias hatorah.
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Snapdragon
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 6:48 pm
I clearly hear ishai ribo saying the ches sound.
Eyal golan he says “am yisroel haiiii”
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zaq
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 7:15 pm
It's not an H but a sound deeper in the throat, midway between H and KH.
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 7:30 pm
amother Glitter wrote: | Oy this is so misinformed. They absolutely do pronounce the ches sound, it just doesn't sound like the Ashkenazi ches. It's not a "h" sound at all. Anyone who is an expert in nusachim will tell you that it's closer to the original than the Ashkenazi version. The ches and chaf are not supposed to sound indistinguishable. Rabbanim and knowledgeable people from those countries are makpid to pronounce the ches that way in tefila and krias hatorah. |
That doesn’t negate what I said. I don’t care that it’s closer to the original, she’s asking why the sound they make is more like a hey than a ches and I answered her. That’s the way Yemenites sound.
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 7:39 pm
amother Chartreuse wrote: | That doesn’t negate what I said. I don’t care that it’s closer to the original, she’s asking why the sound they make is more like a hey than a ches and I answered her. That’s the way Yemenites sound. |
Actually the way they pronounce it IS THE CHES SOUND, not the Chof sound we use for Ches too
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 8:13 pm
amother Taupe wrote: | Actually the way they pronounce it IS THE CHES SOUND, not the Chof sound we use for Ches too |
Yes exactly. Ashkenazim generally use an identical sound for ches and chaf. Sefardim generally have different sounds for ches and chaf- the chaf sounds like the Ashkenazi chaf, while the ches comes from deeper in the throat. Neither of those is the same as the sound for a hey. You should not be hearing am yisrael hai, he is most definitely not using a hey sound.
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 8:16 pm
amother Chartreuse wrote: | That doesn’t negate what I said. I don’t care that it’s closer to the original, she’s asking why the sound they make is more like a hey than a ches and I answered her. That’s the way Yemenites sound. |
You said they don't pronounce the ches sound, so yes, I'm negating what you said. They say the Ashkenazi ches sound when a word has a chaf. They say the sefardi ches sound when it's a ches.
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 8:26 pm
zaq wrote: | It's not an H but a sound deeper in the throat, midway between H and KH. |
Yes exactly.
Thank you everyone for explaining!
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 8:27 pm
amother OP wrote: | I listen to Israeli music a lot and it’s so annoying when certain singers pronounce the “ch” as “h”.
I’m talking about Israeli singers. Eyal Golan and Peer Tasi do this all the time… why? |
Why so many hugs?
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 8:38 pm
My guess is because of the assumptions in your question but I'm not sure
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 8:46 pm
amother Taupe wrote: | My guess is because of the assumptions in your question but I'm not sure |
What assumptions??
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amother
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Mon, Jul 15 2024, 9:00 pm
Because you wrote that it is annoying.
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DrMom
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Tue, Jul 16 2024, 12:09 am
Maybe because it sounds arrogant or ignorant for a non-native speaker to label a legitimate, authentic Hebrew pronounciation by native speakers as "annoying."
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amother
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Tue, Jul 16 2024, 12:11 am
DrMom wrote: | Maybe because it sounds arrogant or ignorant for a non-native speaker to label a legitimate, authentic Hebrew pronounciation by native speakers as "annoying." |
Okay so I was ignorant. That’s why I asked.
And???
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Oldlace
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Tue, Jul 16 2024, 6:51 am
amother OP wrote: | Okay so I was ignorant. That’s why I asked.
And??? |
Not so much ignorant, which anyone has a right to be, but it sounded less like a request for clarification and more like a criticism. You did, after all, say that it's annoying, which implies, whether you meant to or not, that it's "wrong" and you're right. Unnerstan'?
Maybe you just need to be a little bit more careful with your choice of words, since tone of voice does not come across on the internet.
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