Random question about Israeli accent

amother

OP ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 3:07 pm

I listen to Israeli music a lot and it’s so annoying when certain singers pronounce the “ch” as “h”.

I’m talking about Israeli singers. Eyal Golan and Peer Tasi do this all the time… why?

amother

Chartreuse ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 3:12 pm

amother OP wrote:

Because they are first generation sefaradim who come from countries that don’t pronounce the ches sound

amother

Glitter ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 3:43 pm

Oy this is so misinformed. They absolutely do pronounce the ches sound, it just doesn't sound like the Ashkenazi ches. It's not a "h" sound at all. Anyone who is an expert in nusachim will tell you that it's closer to the original than the Ashkenazi version. The ches and chaf are not supposed to sound indistinguishable. Rabbanim and knowledgeable people from those countries are makpid to pronounce the ches that way in tefila and krias hatorah.

amother

Snapdragon

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 3:48 pm

I clearly hear ishai ribo saying the ches sound.
Eyal golan he says “am yisroel haiiii”

amother

↑ Chartreuse

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 4:30 pm

amother Glitter wrote:

That doesn’t negate what I said. I don’t care that it’s closer to the original, she’s asking why the sound they make is more like a hey than a ches and I answered her. That’s the way Yemenites sound.

amother

Taupe ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 4:39 pm

amother Chartreuse wrote:

Actually the way they pronounce it IS THE CHES SOUND, not the Chof sound we use for Ches too

amother

↑ Glitter ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 5:13 pm

amother Taupe wrote:

Actually the way they pronounce it IS THE CHES SOUND, not the Chof sound we use for Ches too

Yes exactly. Ashkenazim generally use an identical sound for ches and chaf. Sefardim generally have different sounds for ches and chaf- the chaf sounds like the Ashkenazi chaf, while the ches comes from deeper in the throat. Neither of those is the same as the sound for a hey. You should not be hearing am yisrael hai, he is most definitely not using a hey sound.

amother

↑ Glitter

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 5:16 pm

amother Chartreuse wrote:

You said they don't pronounce the ches sound, so yes, I'm negating what you said. They say the Ashkenazi ches sound when a word has a chaf. They say the sefardi ches sound when it's a ches.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 5:26 pm

zaq wrote:

It's not an H but a sound deeper in the throat, midway between H and KH.

Yes exactly.

Thank you everyone for explaining!

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 5:27 pm

amother OP wrote:

Why so many hugs?

amother

↑ Taupe ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 5:38 pm

amother OP wrote:

Why so many hugs?

My guess is because of the assumptions in your question but I'm not sure

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 5:46 pm

amother Taupe wrote:

My guess is because of the assumptions in your question but I'm not sure

What assumptions??

amother

Lightgreen ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 6:00 pm

amother OP wrote:

Why so many hugs?

Because you wrote that it is annoying.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 8:38 pm

amother Lightgreen wrote:

Because you wrote that it is annoying.

Is it so terrible that some accents annoy some people?

I’m sure that many people would be annoyed by my accent

Seriously Rolling Eyes

DrMom

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 9:09 pm

amother OP wrote:

Why so many hugs?

Maybe because it sounds arrogant or ignorant for a non-native speaker to label a legitimate, authentic Hebrew pronounciation by native speakers as "annoying."

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Jul 15 2024, 9:11 pm

DrMom wrote:

Maybe because it sounds arrogant or ignorant for a non-native speaker to label a legitimate, authentic Hebrew pronounciation by native speakers as "annoying."

Okay so I was ignorant. That’s why I asked.

And???

amother

Oldlace

Tue, Jul 16 2024, 3:51 am

amother OP wrote:

Okay so I was ignorant. That’s why I asked.

And???

Not so much ignorant, which anyone has a right to be, but it sounded less like a request for clarification and more like a criticism. You did, after all, say that it's annoying, which implies, whether you meant to or not, that it's "wrong" and you're right. Unnerstan'?

Maybe you just need to be a little bit more careful with your choice of words, since tone of voice does not come across on the internet.

amother

↑ Lightgreen

Tue, Jul 16 2024, 6:01 am

amother OP wrote:

Is it so terrible that some accents annoy some people?

I’m sure that many people would be annoyed by my accent

Seriously Rolling Eyes

Why would an accent annoy?
It just tells me that someone has a different language background.
What is your mother tongue ?