How do I "transform" hamotzi into mezonot?

Hashem_Yaazor

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 8:08 pm

Use gluten free flour (as long as it's not oat based) and then you'll actually have non hamotzi bread (shehakol actually)
Very hard to get around it otherwise.

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ra_mom

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 8:28 pm

AshkenazMom wrote:

I want to make some bread for picnic sandwiches. I always go picnic with a netilat jar and a bottle of tap water, this time seems very inconvenience. In the Kosher Store tey sell mezonot bread but my DH don't like them.
So... is just adding some sugar to the dough? My normal recipe has some sugar but just a spoon, should I add more of it? Should I also add some grape juice on it?

Should I ask my rabbi about it or is something standard?

Thank you!

I know some people don't hold by this, but since you asked, the way the stores make it "mezonos" is by using fruit juice for 2/3rds of the liquid, and just 1/3 water (and skip the sugar or cut it down since the juice adds a lot of sweetness).

pnimi ↓

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 8:42 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

I don’t think dairy bread is the issue, I think it’s making challah dairy which might be a problem. (Talking specifically about hamotzi, not mezonos.)

I see why you would say that, but no, it's a problem for any bread to be made milchig, unless in an identifying shape.
In shulchan aruch.

↑ Ema of 5

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 8:43 pm

pnimi wrote:

I see why you would say that, but no, it's a problem for any bread to be made milchig, unless in an identifying shape.
In shulchan aruch.

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↑ pnimi ↓

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 8:44 pm

ra_mom wrote:

This. And has to be eaten as a snack, not as a meal to fill you up. And can't be eaten together with satisfying foods, like chicken or eggs.

↑ pnimi

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 8:45 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

Right, which is why if it doesn’t look like challah it’s ok. This is what I learned.

If you see a regular loaf of bread/rolls/sliced, you assume milchigs or pareve?

BatyaEsther

Wed, Jul 10 2024, 8:51 pm

Ema of 5 wrote:

I don’t think dairy bread is the issue, I think it’s making challah dairy which might be a problem. (Talking specifically about hamotzi, not mezonos.)

Unfortunately, it’s all bread. That is why the Costco bakery doesn’t have hashkacha on the bread. It goes it the same oven as everything else, so it is DE (but obviously doesn’t have non-kosher ingredients or it couldn’t go in the same oven). It’s really a shame as the cookies, cheese cake and tuxedo cake are delicious and the bread looks fabulous as well.

↑ AshkenazMom ↓

Thu, Jul 11 2024, 3:07 am

Thanks! I will do some lentils wraps for the picnic.
I always find problematic this issue, I think it is better not to push this halachic boundaries just for laziness / convinence.

scruffy

Thu, Jul 11 2024, 9:54 am

AshkenazMom wrote:

Thanks! I will do some lentils wraps for the picnic.
I always find problematic this issue, I think it is better not to push this halachic boundaries just for laziness / convinence.

If wraps are an option, we actually hold that all wraps/ flour tortillas etc are always mezonos. Definitely worth asking your LOR.

↑ Comptroller ↓

Thu, Jul 11 2024, 2:42 pm

AshkenazMom wrote:

Thanks! I will do some lentils wraps for the picnic.
I always find problematic this issue, I think it is better not to push this halachic boundaries just for laziness / convinence.

Are you making the lentil wraps yourself? Do you have a receipe? That sounds very interesting!

↑ AshkenazMom

Fri, Jul 12 2024, 5:17 am

Comptroller wrote:

Are you making the lentil wraps yourself? Do you have a receipe? That sounds very interesting!

It's very simple!! You just soak lentils with water, you remove the soaking water, then add a little more clean water and you blend them w to create a Pancakes/ Crêpes textures (some point in between). I normally add to the mixture some olive oil, salt, and 1 egg. My favourites are from red lentils (they almost not need soaking, and I add some curry.
Then you cook them into a pan like any crêpe.

If the dough is more liquid, the wraps will be more flexible, if has less water will result in a thicker "tortilla" that you can also use as a fake pizza dough.

It works with almost any bean or cereal.

An extra tip: if you have wraps leftovers, you can cut them in 4 and bake them until dry and crunchies to have some "nachos". Cool

↑ Comptroller ↓

Fri, Jul 12 2024, 5:41 am

patzer wrote:

Making milchig bread raises an entirely new set of halachic issues!

The kosher bakery I use sells milchig mezonot rolls. Yes they look do different than the rest and they are clearly marked.
That's why I see no problem in baking or selling milchig mezonot rolls.

↑ Comptroller

Fri, Jul 12 2024, 5:42 am

AshkenazMom wrote:

Thank you! That's nice. I will try it, because it gives more fiber than regular flour, and I specially like the idea of crunchy nachos.

questionanswer

Fri, Jul 12 2024, 6:44 am

AshkenazMom wrote:

Ask your rav.

The idea is not to use water, and sub with something sweet like juice.

Chassidim very quick to say something is mezonos (hence why they use water challah - regular challah w the egg and sugar is an iffy hamotzei)

Others dont look at it this way. In my house say hamotzei on "mezonos bread" but really try to avoid it because of brachos shailas