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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 7:14 pm
amother OP wrote: | My personal opinion on Chabad is that they are wonderful people that are serving Hashem in the way they know best.
I actually have a few really close Chabad friends in CH. Not the norm, I know... none of the other satmar people have to tell me
My parents are anti-politics so I only heard the Vechter story as an adult since DH's uncle was his student and is now a Chabad shliach in the boondocks.
There is actually a movement within the satmar community of men learning Tanya and going to the Ohel. Not very openly but it's there |
I thought it was pretty ironic when one of the Satmar Rebbes turned up at my friends chabad house in California and insisted on putting tefillin onto someone, he claimed that as a grandchild of the Alter Rebbe he deserved this privilege.
So I'm just confused. If he is a grandchild of the Alter Rebbe, what's the hate all about?
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 7:16 pm
amother Sand wrote: | I thought it was pretty ironic when one of the Satmar Rebbes turned up at my friends chabad house in California and insisted on putting tefillin onto someone, he claimed that as a grandchild of the Alter Rebbe he deserved this privilege.
So I'm just confused. If he is a grandchild of the Alter Rebbe, what's the hate all about? |
Hate? I didn’t grow up Satmar but married someone who did. His father learns the Tanya and only ever said respectful things about Chabad.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 7:20 pm
amother Petunia wrote: | Hate? I didn’t grow up Satmar but married someone who did. His father learns the Tanya and only ever said respectful things about Chabad. |
Do some research then. Or I can tell you about it from a chabad point of view. Whichever you prefer.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 7:22 pm
amother Camellia wrote: | My major exposure to Satmar is the amazing work of the ladies who brought food to my relative in a NY hospital. Other than that, I don't know know enough to "ask you anything".
Would you mind explaining some of the ways your life is different than other chasidusin or other Orthodox? I'm genuinely curious. |
Satmar is very into chesed. Most chesed organizations in the Orthodox Jewish world were started by Satmar people. Part of the previous Satmar Rebbe, Reb Yoel's ideology was, 'Men darf zein git tzi yeden, nisht mit yeden' We have to be good to everyone, not with everyone'. Insularity and conformity are ideals.
For men having a shiur and working is considered the ideal, aside from the select few talmidei chachamim who stay in learning. Tznius is very high up on the list of priorities, as well as looking good while being tznius. Domesticity is considered an art and women take pride in their beautifully appointed homes and meals as well as their perfectly dressed from head to toe kids.
From my experience many Satmar families are culturally Satmar, yet they have another Rav or Rebbe that they go to for eitzos and hadracha, leading to the satmar-geshtimt (satmar leaning) phenomenon
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 7:27 pm
amother Sand wrote: | I thought it was pretty ironic when one of the Satmar Rebbes turned up at my friends chabad house in California and insisted on putting tefillin onto someone, he claimed that as a grandchild of the Alter Rebbe he deserved this privilege.
So I'm just confused. If he is a grandchild of the Alter Rebbe, what's the hate all about? |
I think the anger, not hate, comes from Mendel Vechter "converting" his talmidim to a way of life that was foreign to their families.
Like I mentioned earlier, one of the major ideals in Satmar is insularity and Chabad is the exact opposite of that.
Again, I only heard of the story as an adult and I have some really amazing Chabad friends so I don't really have any skin in the game
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 7:28 pm
amother OP wrote: | I think the anger, not hate, comes from Mendel Vechter "converting" his talmidim to a way of life that was foreign to their families.
Like I mentioned earlier, one of the major ideals in Satmar is insularity and Chabad is the exact opposite of that.
Again, I only heard of the story as an adult and I have some really amazing Chabad friends so I don't really have any skin in the game |
Your username came up.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 7:28 pm
Same, can we do a spinoff though? I'm sure it's gonna be a really fun heated thread
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 7:29 pm
I know. Changed it as soon as I could
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 7:30 pm
amother OP wrote: | Satmar is very into chesed. Most chesed organizations in the Orthodox Jewish world were started by Satmar people. Part of the previous Satmar Rebbe, Reb Yoel's ideology was, 'Men darf zein git tzi yeden, nisht mit yeden' We have to be good to everyone, not with everyone'. Insularity and conformity are ideals.
For men having a shiur and working is considered the ideal, aside from the select few talmidei chachamim who stay in learning. Tznius is very high up on the list of priorities, as well as looking good while being tznius. Domesticity is considered an art and women take pride in their beautifully appointed homes and meals as well as their perfectly dressed from head to toe kids.
From my experience many Satmar families are culturally Satmar, yet they have another Rav or Rebbe that they go to for eitzos and hadracha, leading to the satmar-geshtimt (satmar leaning) phenomenon |
I knew about the Satmar geshtimt thing, there are a lot of smaller kehillos/ batei midrashim that there Rebbes were talmidim of Satmar and then branched out on their own.
It happens everywhere but more often in Satmar both with chassidim going elsewhere for hadracha or starting their own kehillos, my question is why, why davka in Satmar do they feel the need to go elsewhere?
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 8:07 pm
amother OP wrote: | Satmar is very into chesed. Most chesed organizations in the Orthodox Jewish world were started by Satmar people. Part of the previous Satmar Rebbe, Reb Yoel's ideology was, 'Men darf zein git tzi yeden, nisht mit yeden' We have to be good to everyone, not with everyone'. Insularity and conformity are ideals.
For men having a shiur and working is considered the ideal, aside from the select few talmidei chachamim who stay in learning. Tznius is very high up on the list of priorities, as well as looking good while being tznius. Domesticity is considered an art and women take pride in their beautifully appointed homes and meals as well as their perfectly dressed from head to toe kids.
From my experience many Satmar families are culturally Satmar, yet they have another Rav or Rebbe that they go to for eitzos and hadracha, leading to the satmar-geshtimt (satmar leaning) phenomenon |
Does music / nigunim have a big role in Satmar?
Is it common for people to become Satmar or only if you're born to Satmar patients?
Can you recognize Satmar men or women or kids among other chassidim?
You mentioned that conformity is a value but you also said your family is a little different. How does that work for you?
Aside from bikur Cholim, what chesed organizations were started by Satmar?
Is marriage among relatives (e.g. first cousins) common?
Do you know people who have small families by choice?
In what cities or countries do Satmar communities exist? Would you ever consider living outside of a Satmar community?
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 8:15 pm
amother Sand wrote: | I knew about the Satmar geshtimt thing, there are a lot of smaller kehillos/ batei midrashim that there Rebbes were talmidim of Satmar and then branched out on their own.
It happens everywhere but more often in Satmar both with chassidim going elsewhere for hadracha or starting their own kehillos, my question is why, why davka in Satmar do they feel the need to go elsewhere? |
Satmar is very large/commercial so it is hard for most people to have a connection with the Rebbe leading to many people to find a personal rav/rebbe/mashpia elsewhere. But Satmar has turned into so much of a culture/identity that most people still stay connected.
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 8:15 pm
amother OP wrote: | Satmar is strict about visuals, looking and acting the part more than anything else. IME
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How does this work in regards to tznius? What's the most/furthest someone can be on the liberal/modern side of tznius and still be okay/acceptable?
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 8:16 pm
amother OP wrote: | I know what a fein shmekker is, I wasn't sure what the context of her question was. |
She simply asked if you are one. What context is there to understand?
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 8:18 pm
how are your chumash textual skills? mefarshim skills?
if you recently purchased some nice clothing online can you post links?? I have such a hard time online shopping
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Valerian
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 8:19 pm
How do you feel about shaving your head? Do you enjoy it? (I read in one of these replies you shave your head)
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amother
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Tue, Oct 03 2023, 8:25 pm
amother Fern wrote: | This is where you lost me. Anyone from Williamsburg knows what a 'besere fein shmeker' is. |
General question, can people please translate the Yiddish in their posts.
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