Vey is mir, all this to keep the thread alive? It's not gonna last at this rate. I have to find something provocative to say to keep it going.
Ok now that we are over tisha be'av and the kids aren't in camp any more here in EY how are you mothers surviving.
Are you teaching your girls to eat only leftovers so that you have less to cook
Are you making sure that your boys dont do horrible things like on some of the threads being discussed here?
Are you not feeding them so that they will be thin and beautiful child models and then you can send them to work to make a good living and that money can pay for camp for the younger children??
I'm upset. We gave our 12 yo bus money and 35 shekels to go bowling. Once he got to town with his buddies, "the majority" ruled no bowling, they would rather go to the mall which is right next door. I don't like my kids trawling the malls like rats - it's just a money pit. At least he had the good sense to know we'd not be happy and he only wasted his own money on a kids meal at McDonald's.
I think we'll have to rethink this going to town business. I wonder how the other parents feel.
If he had been in camp, this wouldn't have happened.
I'm upset. We gave our 12 yo bus money and 35 shekels to go bowling. Once he got to town with his buddies, "the majority" ruled no bowling, they would rather go to the mall which is right next door. I don't like my kids trawling the malls like rats - it's just a money pit. At least he had the good sense to know we'd not be happy and he only wasted his own money on a kids meal at McDonald's.
I think we'll have to rethink this going to town business. I wonder how the other parents feel.
If he had been in camp, this wouldn't have happened.
I'm upset. We gave our 12 yo bus money and 35 shekels to go bowling. Once he got to town with his buddies, "the majority" ruled no bowling, they would rather go to the mall which is right next door. I don't like my kids trawling the malls like rats - it's just a money pit. At least he had the good sense to know we'd not be happy and he only wasted his own money on a kids meal at McDonald's.
I think we'll have to rethink this going to town business. I wonder how the other parents feel.
If he had been in camp, this wouldn't have happened.
Yeah, kids buying stuff at the mall should do so on their personal money...
I don't mind kids going to the mall, especially with friends and not alone. I sometimes see groups of frum girls, like 2 or 3, at the mall. Frum boys very rarely as a group, mostly with a parent or siblings.
I'm upset. We gave our 12 yo bus money and 35 shekels to go bowling. Once he got to town with his buddies, "the majority" ruled no bowling, they would rather go to the mall which is right next door. I don't like my kids trawling the malls like rats - it's just a money pit. At least he had the good sense to know we'd not be happy and he only wasted his own money on a kids meal at McDonald's.
I think we'll have to rethink this going to town business. I wonder how the other parents feel.
If he had been in camp, this wouldn't have happened.
It's OK. I've just updated Wiki to say that niddah is regional. I wrote that Jews in the arctic don't keep the laws of niddah when living in igloos. They are much more relaxed with regards to all tznius related issues and tend to rely on the extreme cold and several layers of clothing to protect them from transgressing biblical edicts with regard to elicit relationships.
Good, good.
So how is TH observed in the Arid Belt? Are the men just used to the women in their birthday suits covering the bare minimum only, so they aren't nichshal when they see a isha?
It's OK. I've just updated Wiki to say that niddah is regional. I wrote that Jews in the arctic don't keep the laws of niddah when living in igloos. They are much more relaxed with regards to all tznius related issues and tend to rely on the extreme cold and several layers of clothing to protect them from transgressing biblical edicts with regard to elicit relationships.
Good, good.
So how is TH observed in the Arid Belt? Are the men just used to the women in their birthday suits covering the bare minimum only, so they aren't nichshal when they see a isha?
I have yet to pasken. I mean, Rabbi Wiki has yet to pasken. Two issues:
1. I didn't know you could get birthday suits that cover anything at all. Mine doesn't. I have to wear at least one other layer on top.
2. How many birthdays can a lady have and still remain 21? I only have one a year and I have reached a shocking 35 already. Without blinking.
It's OK. I've just updated Wiki to say that niddah is regional. I wrote that Jews in the arctic don't keep the laws of niddah when living in igloos. They are much more relaxed with regards to all tznius related issues and tend to rely on the extreme cold and several layers of clothing to protect them from transgressing biblical edicts with regard to elicit relationships.
Even if they want to elicit licit relationships?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
If they want those, they move out and go somewhere where you can remove all clothing within one night, and, what's more, they never go there in the first place. Just getting the clothing together costs more than camp.
I'm upset. We gave our 12 yo bus money and 35 shekels to go bowling. Once he got to town with his buddies, "the majority" ruled no bowling, they would rather go to the mall which is right next door. I don't like my kids trawling the malls like rats - it's just a money pit. At least he had the good sense to know we'd not be happy and he only wasted his own money on a kids meal at McDonald's.
I think we'll have to rethink this going to town business. I wonder how the other parents feel.
If he had been in camp, this wouldn't have happened.
I'm upset. We gave our 12 yo bus money and 35 shekels to go bowling. Once he got to town with his buddies, "the majority" ruled no bowling, they would rather go to the mall which is right next door. I don't like my kids trawling the malls like rats - it's just a money pit. At least he had the good sense to know we'd not be happy and he only wasted his own money on a kids meal at McDonald's.
I think we'll have to rethink this going to town business. I wonder how the other parents feel.
If he had been in camp, this wouldn't have happened.
Now, how can you deny that camp is a necessity?
I no longer can. The proof is in the pudding.
In all seriousness, sometimes these situations are good for kids. It shows them that when in an undesirable situation, they can still make good choices.
I rarely "hung out at the mall" but did on occasion. It may be a money pit, but its a lot less dangerous than roaming the streets.
It's OK. I've just updated Wiki to say that niddah is regional. I wrote that Jews in the arctic don't keep the laws of niddah when living in igloos. They are much more relaxed with regards to all tznius related issues and tend to rely on the extreme cold and several layers of clothing to protect them from transgressing biblical edicts with regard to elicit relationships.
Good, good.
So how is TH observed in the Arid Belt? Are the men just used to the women in their birthday suits covering the bare minimum only, so they aren't nichshal when they see a isha?
Well I have TRIED to start an Orthodox Jewish nudist colony, on the beach of course, to no avail.
OK my girls all LIVED at the mall when they could. That doesn't mean that they spent money at the mall but hey, it's air conditioned and during the summer that's something especially as it is FREE. Second, they make dates with their girlfriends and would usually end up getting a fresh juice and nothing more. third, they loved going through the fashion stores to see what would be "in" so that they could come home and tell me what I would be sewing this coming season and fourth, once you were inside, during the days of terrorists blowing up places (that was the decade that most of my kids were teens), once you were inside the mall, you were hopefully safer than running around in the center of the city to eat at sbarro or meet in front of binyanei hauma etc.
My sons hate the mall. They can't figure out why someone would want to step foot in there. They both love camping and sports and their idea of fun in 100 degree weather is to take a tent and go someplace in the wilderness. It was a lot more fun when they could drive already and borrow daddy's car for a day and go to the ends of the earth to pitch the tent THERE. And then there was the fun when they would get youngest ds ready for the army, to take a stretcher from the hospital (nothing like having a son in law a doctor) and he (doctor), my two sons and two friends would run up and down the hills of Yerushalayim carrying one of them on the stretcher in a RUN to prepare youngest ds for the army.
I kid you not. It was a sight to see. They are NUTS, BONKERS my boys! But what fun!
Tamiri why camp? Aren't there cleaning jobs that your son can do around the house? Messy, nasty, fun as in take apart with tiny screwdrivers to clean thoroughly in the hope that when the time comes you will figure out how to put it back together, jobs?
My boys used to enjoy those. Not that they always managed to put things back together but oh, it was so much FUN to take them apart. We would save things for them to "practice? on and they could do it literally for hours in their teens with all these tools that I never figured out what they were good for.
Another thing is to build racing cars. It's a lot less expensive than camp. A few old pieces of wood and a wooden board. Heck you can BUY one at Home Center for 100 shekel. And then four hard wheels. Again, another 100 shekel. The tools and nails and stuff we have at home. Also a power drill. And then they start hocking. And hocking and hocking and :"OWWW#$$%%%^^ MOMMEEEEEE, Duvid smashed his thumb with the hammer, MOMMEEEEE dont worry it's not bleeing. Much. MOMMEEEE he can't bend it anymore...MOMMEEEE HE IS COMING AFTER ME WITH THE HAMMER MOMMEEEE....."
Ahh the sound of music. And then when they are done they have this go cart that can last them for a few years even if they do it right.
And we haven't even gotten up to painting it. By twelve they can DEFINITELY do things like that. Eight is young although my youngest would tag on around that age to the older kids doing those kind of things. Only we didn't let him near the power tools until around bar mitzva.
Should I keep going?
Karnash, SHHHHH don't tell them. Let them figure it out for themselves!
They both love camping and sports and their idea of fun in 100 degree weather is to take a tent and go someplace in the wilderness. It was a lot more fun when they could drive already and borrow daddy's car for a day and go to the ends of the earth to pitch the tent THERE.
I'm with your sons. I'd rather camp than mall any day. I also can't figure out the fun of a mall. BLECH!
They both love camping and sports and their idea of fun in 100 degree weather is to take a tent and go someplace in the wilderness. It was a lot more fun when they could drive already and borrow daddy's car for a day and go to the ends of the earth to pitch the tent THERE.
I'm with your sons. I'd rather camp than mall any day. I also can't figure out the fun of a mall. BLECH!
Me either. I hate shopping all together. Well, here is one for you FS, both my husband and brother in law love shopping. Its in their genes, no joke. They could go to the mall and for sure come back with something. I HATE shopping with such a passion that most of my clothing (that still fit) are from over 10 years ago.
There's another take on gender things.
Mall isn't just clothing stores you know. There are home center and office depot stores, there are domestica and other types of household stores, there are book stores, and magazine stores and pet stores as well. There are health food stores and there are jewelry stores and watch stores and linens and towels and electronic stories as well.
Are you saying that you cant find something to interest you in ANY of those places?
And you prefer CAMPING?
You see what I mean? Had you spend more time with your mothers taking care of the house you would have found the beauty in a store like domestica with the gorgeous serving platters, fine thin wine glasses, beautiful china and the like.
Even CHAZAL saw the beauty in it and said that Keilim Naim and Bayis Naeh make a person have harchavas ha'daas!
