Tragedy in Sahara sams

↑ exaustedmom

Tue, Jul 30 2019, 11:46 pm

To be honest, I don't know any parent who appreciates these late night trips. So who are the day camps doing it for???

Tomorrow my third grader is going to a water park as a late night trip. I am sending her with my heart in my hands and a prayer on my lips. Who needs it???

↑ aricelli ↓

Tue, Jul 30 2019, 11:50 pm

Last summer my sons daycamp had a kumzitz at night on a (safe!) roof with a flashing lights and music and a barbeque and my son came home on a high! If youre creative theres so much wholesome safe fun to give

↑ flowerpower

Tue, Jul 30 2019, 11:53 pm

The late nights are because they rent out the park after hours.

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Tue, Jul 30 2019, 11:54 pm

My kids have been to water parks and come home around midnight. To think that a mother sent her kid, just like all other mothers sent other kids, and she will never see him again, hug him, he will always stay 9 years old because of a "fun" trip to the water park... This is not fathomable.

My heart is breaking. Crying

I can't.

↑ Blessing1 ↓

Tue, Jul 30 2019, 11:57 pm

Creditcards, it did not happen in a kiddie pool. Was a regular pool.

esuss

Tue, Jul 30 2019, 11:57 pm

BDE.
I am asking these questions to help prevent similar in future.

What happened to the buddy system. Where kids are partnered and can't go anywhere without their buddy. What happened to doing a headcount as soon as they leave each area. If these safeguards are in place he could have been found faster.

ynmets ↓

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:02 am

esuss wrote:

Hashem runs the world and it was meant to be.
But, its unfathomable how irresponsible these trips are!
Obviously, no buddy system! And is anyone watching these kids in the pools (besides those lifeguards , which aren't enough? ) Of course not!
That's impossible.
Think about it, would you ever let your 6-7 year old be unsupervised with 100s of kids in a pool and the wave pool? (Check it out online!)

This is really out of control. I'm done with these water parks!!

↑ greatfulmom

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:09 am

Blessing1 wrote:

Creditcards, it did not happen in a kiddie pool. Was a regular pool.

Wave pool or regular pool?

↑ Blessing1 ↓

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:10 am

I don't think the wave pool but definitely not a kiddie pool.

↑ Marigold

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:13 am

1untamedgirl wrote:

We can also ask why they are taking the kids to a water park during the three weeks. But then again, another little girl was killed in her classroom the other week so it has nothing to do with what time they go or when they go or where they go. This is what Hashem wanted and what He wants is for the best even if its painful and we dont understand any of it. If only Moshiach were here already. BDE

I know that we have to trust and believe that this was meant to happen and what Hashem does is ultimately for the best.

That being said, I still don’t think that kids should be taken on trips past their usual bedtime. I know my 8 yr old wld be very tired after a long, hot fun filled day at daycamp and unless he is put down for a good nap it is very easy for a child to slip under at this hour in a crowded pool.

↑ ynmets

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:17 am

Is it true about discovering the boy missing once he was on the bus?
Why are there clips going around in which you see the park full of boys lining up to go the bus?
Something doesn't add up.

↑ aricelli

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:19 am

ynmets wrote:

Is it true about discovering the boy missing once he was on the bus?
Why are there clips going around in which you see the park full of boys lining up to go the bus?
Something doesn't add up.

No- I listened to recording of vien head counselor- something happened while kids were still in pool

gamanit ↓

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:20 am

ynmets wrote:

Is it true about discovering the boy missing once he was on the bus?
Why are there clips going around in which you see the park full of boys lining up to go the bus?
Something doesn't add up.

There were multiple day camps there and such trips are usually staggered with one day camp being told to leave the park at a time in order not to overload changing rooms. It's possible that his day camp was already on their buses but other day camps were still in the pools.

↑ Mevater ↓

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:28 am

esuss wrote:

Thats what was suggested on a thread here after the hiker got lost last week. B"H that ended well. But youd think camps would learn from these misfortunes. I guess they dont want to be boring camps with boring trips, that kids wont beg their parents to send them to. And they cant afford to hire too much help. So campers have excitement. Unfortunately, intertwined with unforgettable trauma and tragedies.

1ofbillions

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:29 am

YWN posted a recording of a conference call held by Dr. Dovid Fox for parents, to know how to discuss and understand this tragedy.

Link: https://www.theyeshivaworld.co......html

I very highly recommend listening to the recording; it really stabilized and calmed me down, and was very helpful in terms of practical parenting assistance. If you don’t listen to it, I’ve put some bullet points below with the basic gist of what Dr. Fox advised.

- Be sure to emphasize that this occurrence was highly unusual, unexpected, and rare. A good way to put it would be to call it a “tragic accident in which a child lost his life.” You do not want your child to be terrified that this will happen to them.

- Give limited information in a calm, measured, compassionate manner. The goal is not to educate your child on the details of the incident. Rather, it’s to help your child process the emotions that this horrific tragedy makes them feel in a safe, healthy way.

- Through discussion, help the child become aware of and identity the emotions, physical sensations, and thoughts within them. These need to be processed so that they aren’t buried into the unconscious.

- Don’t tell the child not to feel a certain way, or not to cry. Whatever the child feels, validate and mirror it. Reflect it back in caring terms. “Yes, of course you feel angry/sad/numb/nauseous. That makes so much sense. This is a very normal reaction because of the seriousness of what happened.”

- Don’t argue with their thoughts, Don’t talk them out of the way they’re feeling. don’t try to reframe. It’s too soon. Just be present with whatever state they’re in.

- If your children are more fearful when they are going to bed, stay with them.

- Make sure that your children follow their normal routine the next day. They need structure. It’s normal, especially for younger children, for children to be avoidant of activities that are water related. Let them refrain from those activities for maybe a day or so. Let them know that right now it’s fine to feel this way, but they will feel that it’s okay to go back to water activities after that.

- Tell the children not to participate in gossip and rumoring. If they hear anything that they’re not sure if it’s true or not, they should come to you or another adult to discuss it.

- Children are going to wonder why this happened. Don’t tell the child not to ask why. Validate that it’s normal to wonder why this happened, but don’t answer why (as no human knows that). You can talk about Tehillim and tefilla. If a child wants to take on a small Kabbalah, as long as it’s reasonable and not overly demanding, that’s okay.

- If you don’t feel up to having a spiritual discussion about this, facilitate the child having a discussion with someone who can, like a Rav or Rebetzin.

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↑ tweety1 ↓

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:41 am

Blessing1 wrote:

I don't think the wave pool but definitely not a kiddie pool.

The pictures online show, that the kiddie pool is locked down as in crime scene.

hot chocolate! ↓

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:47 am

So so incredibly sad. Im shocked. Horrific tragedy.
Poor parents! I know the family which makes it all that scarier.
Mashiach we are waiting for you ! To come riding on your donkey, and to hear the shofars blast, the sweet sweet peace that will come. . And happiness.everyone will be HEALTHY and HAPPY and it gonna be so good ! Only good. Inside and out.
Please ladies, this tisha ba'v lets bring Him ! He has to come already ! Theres way too much heartbreak for this tiny little world to contain it all.
Hashem should be menachem his parents.

↑ 1untamedgirl ↓

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:49 am

Marigold wrote:

I dont know why they cant rent the park regular camp hours but I dont think that any of these kids go to sleep at 7:30 (which is when it happened) especially not in the summer.
That said, there have been plenty of kids who have died in fires sleeping in their own beds so if that is what Hashem wanted then it would have happened regardless of the time or location. May he be a Tikkun for all of us.

↑ tweety1 ↓

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:53 am

1untamedgirl wrote:

I dont know why they cant rent the park regular camp hours but I dont think that any of these kids go to sleep at 7:30 (which is when it happened) especially not in the summer.
That said, there have been plenty of kids who have died in sleeping in their own beds so if that is what Hashem wanted then it would have happened regardless of the time or location. May he be a Tikkun for all of us.

You're so right. But here, we, the people, of flesh and bone, come in naturally so with all the could've's, should've's, would've's. It's an only natural response to tragedy.

↑ tweety1 ↓

Wed, Jul 31 2019, 12:54 am

1untamedgirl wrote:

All water parks do it this way. During the day it's open to the public.