Double Take: Separating Classes by Yeshivishness

imaima ↓

Fri, Dec 27 2024, 5:55 am

amother NeonPink wrote:

I'm really torn.
I understand the school but as a parent, the kid who took my son down the dangerous route of open internet etc was the son of the local rosh yeshiva.
What would I choose for my own kids?
I don't know anymore. I think that sometimes being with kids who have btdt and don't have the temptation for it is healthier than the very narrow yeshivish outlook.

The son of a rosh yeshiva would have ended up in the fummer class anyway

↑ imaima

Fri, Dec 27 2024, 6:01 am

amother Electricblue wrote:

Some parents could very well complain. So what? She should grow a backbone and do the right thing.

If everyone complains, it probably means the whole thing is a bad idea

amother

↑ Ivory

Fri, Dec 27 2024, 8:45 am

amother Clear wrote:

Why does any child need to hear such garbage from their school? What kind of chinuch is that? Trashing their parents? Gross.

Agree 100%.

So they’re not trashing ‘parents’. Some teachers/principals are trashing smartphones. Well, since half the parent body has smartphones……. That’s trashing half the parents.

amother

Aster

Fri, Dec 27 2024, 8:59 am

imaima wrote:

The son of a rosh yeshiva would have ended up in the fummer class anyway

I believe that was the poster's point. thinking that my having a yesheivish class you are sheltering your kids is really just fooling yourself.

BH Yom Yom

Fri, Dec 27 2024, 12:18 pm

The elitism makes me want to vomit.

Honestly - I get the concern about exposure to garbage through technology - but being among people who are outwardly a certain “type” is not a guarantee that a kid will stay sheltered. It’s on us as parents to build up a sense of confidence and positive pride in our kids - not by belittling or otherwise knocking others, but by emphasizing how amazing, fun, exciting, whatever it is that we do things a certain way.

The principal’s inflexibility and refusal to think about Avigail’s ruchnius and chinuch is nauseating. It sounds like she either is clueless or is conveniently ignoring the social struggles Avigail had in the past and the fact that she finally found a solid group of friends that she felt comfortable with and who are helping her grow in her avodas Hashem. She is definitely not acting in Avigail’s best interests. And if Avigail does become influenced by the less yeshivish class the irony is that the principal will no doubt insist that “Oh I was right, Avigail’s yeshivishness was just a phase, it’s good I put her in the less yeshivish class.” Um, only because you took away her opportunity to go in the direction she felt more connected to. And as a previous poster mentioned - this decision also is likely to destroy Avigail’s chances of getting into a high school that is a good fit for her (especially if the high schools call the principal for “information” (aka motzi shem ra) about her).

flowerpower

Fri, Dec 27 2024, 12:54 pm

Very nauseating article! No one is above anyone. No one is better than anyone else. No one is immune from being exposed. Even the “best” can be exposed in ways you don’t expect it. Teach your kid that there are other kids that are not like you and you accept it while working hard on being you.

amother

Lightgray

Sat, Dec 28 2024, 8:25 pm

I thought this was so cruel. And the opposite of frum.

allthingsblue

Sat, Dec 28 2024, 8:40 pm

I read it and thought it was extremely sad

Not at all in line with Torah values

momma 17

Sat, Dec 28 2024, 10:43 pm

One of my father's favorite lines is
"Frum frum crum" (twisted in Yiddish)

amother

Tomato

Mon, Dec 30 2024, 1:33 am

Here is the problem: yeshivish is not the only way one can be frum. An ehrlichebaal habayis a frum plumber, an ehrliche electrician are just wonderful ppl. Dividing a school based on the fathers job is idiocy