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amother
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 Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:08 pm
| amother Taupe wrote: | | its not right at all and I don't believe it's true massering. The intent was never that yidden should commit crimes against other yidden and get away with it just because he chose to do it to another yid. Not all yidden are good and some see this as a loophole to do as they please without consequence. |
Your right. It pisses me off when people use the term "massering" to do whatever they want.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:09 pm
| amother NeonBlue wrote: | | Your right. It pisses me off when people use the term "massering" to do whatever they want. |
Yes. Its fine until it happens to them.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:10 pm
| amother Junglegreen wrote: | | They stole your property if they built on your land. You probably can do whatever you need to take it back halachically. You can ask beis din what steps you are allowed to do now. |
Isn’t that what beis din is. Someone steals from you. Any halachos regarding money. You go to beis din?
I didn’t know we were allowed to pick which things beis din is responsible for.
What is beis din for otherwise?
I would call a rav and ask how to proceed.
I’d be shocked if a multi story addition happened in broad daylight without permits snd inspections.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:21 pm
| amother Hotpink wrote: | Isn’t that what beis din is. Someone steals from you. Any halachos regarding money. You go to beis din?
I didn’t know we were allowed to pick which things beis din is responsible for.
What is beis din for otherwise?
I would call a rav and ask how to proceed.
I’d be shocked if a multi story addition happened in broad daylight without permits snd inspections. |
Dont be so shocked.... I know some one who applies for a "general" permit and does whatever they want in a heavily frum neighborhood and knows he wont get caught.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:28 pm
| amother Hotpink wrote: | Isn’t that what beis din is. Someone steals from you. Any halachos regarding money. You go to beis din?
I didn’t know we were allowed to pick which things beis din is responsible for.
What is beis din for otherwise?
I would call a rav and ask how to proceed.
I’d be shocked if a multi story addition happened in broad daylight without permits snd inspections. |
Beis din sends people to court very often. Things like property is not really something they a jurisdiction over. They work with law of the land.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:30 pm
| amother Junglegreen wrote: | | Beis din sends people to court very often. Things like property is not really something they a jurisdiction over. They work with law of the land. |
Ok. But I’m assuming you go to beis din first. Not decide to skip on your own. And say stealing isn’t for beis din.
And beis din does deal with halachos of property and money very often. Halacha covers it thoroughly.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:33 pm
| amother Hotpink wrote: | Ok. But I’m assuming you go to beis din first. Not decide to skip on your own. And say stealing isn’t for beis din.
And beis din does deal with halachos of property and money very often. Halacha covers it thoroughly. |
I literally said ask beis din what you are allowed to do, because she can do things at this point. Not sure what issue you are having here? Did you not read my post well?
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:36 pm
| amother OP wrote: | | They built up a floor, above my house. We are semi-attached and it will be clarfied tomorrow how much they went beyond the halfway point of the 2 identical semi attached houses. The floor they added seems to my neighbors, to be reaching over my house, and devalues my property greatly. |
WTH? Do people not get building permits where you live? That's illegal where I live and very possibly dangerous as well.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:42 pm
| amother Periwinkle wrote: | | WTH? Do people not get building permits where you live? That's illegal where I live and very possibly dangerous as well. |
There was a whole thread a while back saying don’t bother with a permit in Brooklyn. No one does it. This was around the time a building collapsed. Spoiler alert It was not built with a permit. People think it’s totally fine to put everyone’s safety at risk and permits are nerdy people. Of course it’s illegal but they don’t care.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:43 pm
| amother Periwinkle wrote: | | WTH? Do people not get building permits where you live? That's illegal where I live and very possibly dangerous as well. |
Welcome to New York. They do whatever they want and rely on being a frum neighborhood to not get caught. I don't care as long as it doesn't bother me but when you bring cement trucks through the alley way so you don't get caught from the front and they slam into the fence in the back to the point that it is wobbly and close to falling then I am very tempted to call 311. PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE! YOU CAN NOT DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. Don't forget about the holes I get in my tires from the construction shards etc in the general alley way from your construction. Oh bUt if I call 311 its "massering" what a double standard.End rant from some one who got a crazy quote to re cement the fence.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:44 pm
| amother Junglegreen wrote: | | I literally said ask beis din what you are allowed to do, because she can do things at this point. Not sure what issue you are having here? Did you not read my post well? |
I wasn’t really contradicting you. Sorry I wasn’t clear and it sounded that way.
It was those saying it isn’t being mosser to go straight to court for stealing bec it’s matters of money.
I apologize
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Raizle
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 10:48 pm
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I don't think the term massering is being used correctly here.
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B'Syata D'Shmya
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 11:11 pm
Beis Din only has power if both sides abide by their ruling and usually look for a פשרה (as in יפה פשרה מדין )
They are also not above being pressured as they dont really answer to a higher authority, they can bend the halacha to wherever they think is best. This is the reason the Torah orders judges not to look at the wealth of either side in order to make sure that the judge wont try to even things out. (and many stumble on this).
I personally had this, where my neighbor built up illegally, obstructing light and air and also it was done irresponsibly (no architect or getting permits). We were sure a BD would side with us. The other side came with sob story of her being pregnant with twins and not wanting to do anything that would stress her pregnancy and the twins, they built up because they need the room for their growing fam, yes, its true they didnt do it with professionals just ad hoc cause they couldnt afford a real architect. they are a simple kollel fam doing the best they can, etc. etc etc. We ended up looking like mean and nasty neighbors who dont care about another Jewish family (yes, they actually said that).
The ruling was that the neighbor just owed us a portion of what our property was devalued (a small portion, like a pittance because it was also decided they owed other neighbors whose properties werent affected also the same pittance! ) which they know they cant pay now but its considered a loan (interest free of course) till they can pay it.
They never did. Its still a "loan". Years and years later.
Hashem ended up making it all good, because of the ruling and what happened, we decided to sell and move. Hashem sent us a buyer that just happened to really need that location and sold for the full value.
We moved on.
We didnt go to court, thats not us, and put the whole nightmare behind us. Do we want the money owed to us? Of course. That fam has never reached out to us since then. Every so often we see our toen and he says he spoke to their toen and "their working on it"....
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 11:28 pm
IF they worked with permits, would the Building Dept know or care that they built over my house?
Is the building department checking during/after the work, what they do/did, by the inch or foot, and whether they encroached on another homeowner's property?
I doubt it.
And Im sure well known contractors have way$ to deal with the Building Department.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 11:29 pm
| amother OP wrote: | IF they worked with permits, would the Building Dept know or care that they built over my house?
Is the building department checking during/after the work, what they do/did, by the inch or foot, and whether they encroached on another homeowner's property?
I doubt it. |
Yes. They verify what was done very exacting to the architect plans approved by the city.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 11:30 pm
| amother Hotpink wrote: | | Yes. They verify what was done very exacting to the architect plans approved by the city. |
Im sure many contractors have way$ to deal with the Building Department.
But this is all irrelevant if Bais Din will decide, and not the building dept, what they have to do or dont have to do, now.
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amother
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 11:35 pm
| amother OP wrote: | IF they worked with permits, would the Building Dept know or care that they built over my house?
Is the building department checking during/after the work, what they do/did, by the inch or foot, and whether they encroached on another homeowner's property?
I doubt it.
And Im sure well known contractors have way$ to deal with the Building Department. |
100% YES.
The city makes money on permits and fines. Trust me, they are very interested in this.
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Ultramarine
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 11:46 pm
| amother OP wrote: | | They built up a floor, above my house. We are semi-attached and it will be clarfied tomorrow how much they went beyond the halfway point of the 2 identical semi attached houses. The floor they added seems to my neighbors, to be reaching over my house, and devalues my property greatly. |
Just curious. How is it that you’re only looking into this after it’s done and not during your neighbors contruction?
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amother
Puce
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Wed, Dec 25 2024, 11:48 pm
| B'Syata D'Shmya wrote: | Beis Din only has power if both sides abide by their ruling and usually look for a פשרה (as in יפה פשרה מדין )
They are also not above being pressured as they dont really answer to a higher authority, they can bend the halacha to wherever they think is best. This is the reason the Torah orders judges not to look at the wealth of either side in order to make sure that the judge wont try to even things out. (and many stumble on this).
I personally had this, where my neighbor built up illegally, obstructing light and air and also it was done irresponsibly (no architect or getting permits). We were sure a BD would side with us. The other side came with sob story of her being pregnant with twins and not wanting to do anything that would stress her pregnancy and the twins, they built up because they need the room for their growing fam, yes, its true they didnt do it with professionals just ad hoc cause they couldnt afford a real architect. they are a simple kollel fam doing the best they can, etc. etc etc. We ended up looking like mean and nasty neighbors who dont care about another Jewish family (yes, they actually said that).
The ruling was that the neighbor just owed us a portion of what our property was devalued (a small portion, like a pittance because it was also decided they owed other neighbors whose properties werent affected also the same pittance! ) which they know they cant pay now but its considered a loan (interest free of course) till they can pay it.
They never did. Its still a "loan". Years and years later.
Hashem ended up making it all good, because of the ruling and what happened, we decided to sell and move. Hashem sent us a buyer that just happened to really need that location and sold for the full value.
We moved on.
We didnt go to court, thats not us, and put the whole nightmare behind us. Do we want the money owed to us? Of course. That fam has never reached out to us since then. Every so often we see our toen and he says he spoke to their toen and "their working on it".... |
It boils down to a Beis Din has no legitimate judicial power.
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Mauve
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Thu, Dec 26 2024, 12:27 am
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I'm going through something very similar. It's very painful.... my neighbors are the richest, most looked upon ppl in ny. Bes din basically left us hanging, no rav is interested in getting involved with these powerful ppl.... and I'm not allowed to call 311..... may they never have a good day in their mansion. Sorry but I'm really pissed
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