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amother
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 Yesterday at 9:45 am
| amother Blushpink wrote: | | Realize you are generalizing about Rebbis. Maybe this is true for the school you send to, it's definitely not true across the communities |
But the premise is true.
It is not a full time job so one cannot expect a full time salary.
Plus there are non salary benefits that most teachers/rebbeim get. Of course they vary but across the board they get non salary benefits.
Hey, getting off YT without a dock in pay is amazing!! I know many that have to work chol hamoed because they don't get enough PTO for YT itself! Let alone erev YT and isru chag. And winter break. And all the other random days off.
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amother
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Yesterday at 11:39 am
| amother Pear wrote: | But the premise is true.
It is not a full time job so one cannot expect a full time salary.
Plus there are non salary benefits that most teachers/rebbeim get. Of course they vary but across the board they get non salary benefits.
Hey, getting off YT without a dock in pay is amazing!! I know many that have to work chol hamoed because they don't get enough PTO for YT itself! Let alone erev YT and isru chag. And winter break. And all the other random days off. |
Lol it's not just random days off, it's a full MONTH or TWO off. Every. Single. Year. Do you know a single other job with that perk?
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amother
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Yesterday at 12:21 pm
| amother Pear wrote: | But the premise is true.
It is not a full time job so one cannot expect a full time salary.
Plus there are non salary benefits that most teachers/rebbeim get. Of course they vary but across the board they get non salary benefits.
Hey, getting off YT without a dock in pay is amazing!! I know many that have to work chol hamoed because they don't get enough PTO for YT itself! Let alone erev YT and isru chag. And winter break. And all the other random days off. |
No it's not true across the board.
If you read this thread you'd know this.
Rebbis work 42 hours/week in my area. That is not part time. Not every school signs up to chasdei lev for their Rebbis. There is a lot of generalizing here.
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amother
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Yesterday at 12:23 pm
| amother Wine wrote: | | Lol it's not just random days off, it's a full MONTH or TWO off. Every. Single. Year. Do you know a single other job with that perk? |
Do you know a single job that hires people for two months a year and then lets them go for a year until those two months come again?
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amother
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Yesterday at 12:32 pm
| amother Blushpink wrote: | No it's not true across the board.
If you read this thread you'd know this.
Rebbis work 42 hours/week in my area. That is not part time. Not every school signs up to chasdei lev for their Rebbis. There is a lot of generalizing here. |
Yes, there is generalizing to the large Jewish communities where there is the most concentration of rebbeim. That's who most of these discussions apply to.
There's always going to be a smaller community that has a different setup. You can't cover ever possible scenario in a discussion. Hence, generalizing
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amother
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Yesterday at 12:39 pm
| amother OP wrote: | Yes, there is generalizing to the large Jewish communities where there is the most concentration of rebbeim. That's who most of these discussions apply to.
There's always going to be a smaller community that has a different setup. You can't cover ever possible scenario in a discussion. Hence, generalizing |
I am in a large Jewish community. That's what I'm saying. It depends on the school. They are not all the same.
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amother
Winterberry
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Yesterday at 1:37 pm
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Wealthy people need to step up more. I'm not talking about comfortable people who can easily pay full tuition, send kids to camp, make a decent Simcha. I mean the people make $300,000 bar mitvas in hotels.... If you are a g-d fearing jew and believe klal yisroel is responsible for each other.... Administrators and rebbeim need to be paid decently in order for us to have people in those positions. (I am not a rebbes wife). I Need to beg the schools for tuition discounts so we can afford to pay for food, clothing and shelter for our family. Hashem gave wealthy people money to support torah and poor people. Its sick how much money is thrown around while the average family can't pay the bills!
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amother
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Yesterday at 1:56 pm
| amother Blushpink wrote: | | I am in a large Jewish community. That's what I'm saying. It depends on the school. They are not all the same. |
Ok, so your yeshiva is an anomaly.
There are those too.
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Peony
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Yesterday at 2:14 pm
| amother Winterberry wrote: | | Wealthy people need to step up more. I'm not talking about comfortable people who can easily pay full tuition, send kids to camp, make a decent Simcha. I mean the people make $300,000 bar mitvas in hotels.... If you are a g-d fearing jew and believe klal yisroel is responsible for each other.... Administrators and rebbeim need to be paid decently in order for us to have people in those positions. (I am not a rebbes wife). I Need to beg the schools for tuition discounts so we can afford to pay for food, clothing and shelter for our family. Hashem gave wealthy people money to support torah and poor people. Its sick how much money is thrown around while the average family can't pay the bills! |
Wealthy ppl do step up and donate to schools. And tons of other tzedakah funds. But I never heard a school say we raised enough, despite how much they raised. It is a bottomless hole until schools open their books and allow capable financial ppl to help them manage their money.
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amother
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Yesterday at 2:55 pm
| amother Pewter wrote: | Where on earth are rebbeim being paid $140k a year?! If you write untruths like this, then people will continue and increase in their criticism of rebbeim and their benefits.
Honestly, heres the truth: My husband's main job as a REbbi pays him about $55k a year. He has been a rebbi for over 25 years. He does not not not earn $140k. He works multiple other small jobs year round that leave him exhausted, to try and earn a living salary.
PLEASE dont perpetuate the myth that rebbeim are well paid. What nonsense. |
55k for 1class meaning half day?
That's AMAZING pay
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amother
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Yesterday at 2:58 pm
| amother Cadetblue wrote: | Another wife of a rebbe earning 55 here.
Enjoying the love on this thread.
Yes, 55k in town is very standard. Not sure why you think 145k is standard, just because some random fellow at the Aguda convention decided it is. Dh actually works 3 additional jobs so we can get by.
But carry on with your ranting against Rebbeim. |
Right but he has time for the 3 additional jobs
55k is for a half time rebbe....
Signed a rebbewife
Who thinks rebbeim get paid very very well and can't understand why rebeim don't stop complaining!
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amother
Strawberry
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Yesterday at 2:58 pm
| amother Blushpink wrote: | | Do you know a single job that hires people for two months a year and then lets them go for a year until those two months come again? |
lol yes literally any summer job.
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jd1212
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Yesterday at 4:24 pm
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Go to teach at MO schools if u can. Starting pay was $65k a few yrs ago and u can still work in single gender schools. May not benefit from free tuition then presumably but the environment is generally professional and no Sundays
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amother
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Yesterday at 5:09 pm
thats me you're quoting.
55k to work 7.30-2.30 M-T, 7.30- 1.30 S and 7.30 - 1 F
Then he goes to his next job. AND Then he goes to his next job. His main job, is his rebbi job. With his two other jobs that he does to make ends meet, and all gis parent/teacher communication, grading, PTA, going to his students barmitzvahs and speaking at most of those, he is an exhausted but happy man. Total earnings are way less than 100k between all his jobs. Impossible to live on with a big family bli ayin hara.
55k for his main job is amazing? 11 months a year for those hours? not sure I agree iwth you. Thats like a 9-4.30 job considering that he's working 6 partial days a week. I think you will agree with me if you look at it with an open mind. Thank you.
By the way, I'm not complaining. I'm just putting people right, those people who think rebbeim work those hours and earn 140k...
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amother
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Yesterday at 5:11 pm
| amother Ballota wrote: | Right but he has time for the 3 additional jobs
55k is for a half time rebbe....
Signed a rebbewife
Who thinks rebbeim get paid very very well and can't understand why rebeim don't stop complaining! |
what, how can you say rebbeim get paid very very well?
maybe you have only little kids? no big kids to pay seminary and yeshiva for?
no married kids to support?
a job that is paid very very well does not pay 55k!
and Im not complaiinng, just being factual!
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amother
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Today at 12:18 am
| amother Blushpink wrote: | | Do you know a single job that hires people for two months a year and then lets them go for a year until those two months come again? |
Uh, yes. Every single summer job is like that. What's your point?
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Fox
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Today at 12:51 am
We know the solution. We just don't like it.
Jewish schools need endowment funds. When Harvard gives someone a scholarship, they don't send a fundraiser out to make up the difference. They base their scholarships on the income generated by their investments.
Decades ago, real estate developer George Hanus recognized this problem and started a campaign to encourage every Jew to donate 5 percent of his/her estate upon death to Jewish school endowments.
Unfortunately, most schools are locked in an outdated, ineffective model of raising and spending. And there's never enough raised to keep up with all the worthwhile expenditures.
In order for schools to build endowments, two things have to happen:
1. People have to feel pressure to allocate money in their estates; and
2. Schools have to resist the urge to spend the principal instead of the income.
Yes, too many schools are not transparent enough about their finances, but arguing over the salaries of rebbeim is a fool's errand. Tinkering with salaries won't change anything.
One note, though: if you think there is such a thing as a "part-time teaching job," just admit you've never taught, or if you have, you bombed out.
Teaching typically requires close to the same number of hours of preparation as are spent in class. Someone in the classroom for 25 hours a week is likely spending an additional 20 hours in preparation, evaluation, etc. Sometimes that can be shaved by savvy teachers with lots of experience, but there are too many variables each year to simply press "replay."
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amother
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Today at 7:06 am
| amother Wine wrote: | | Uh, yes. Every single summer job is like that. What's your point? |
That's my point. We have a summer job. Our income drops drastically. It's not like there are jobs for those two months that pay as much as a year round salary.
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allthingsblue
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Today at 7:45 am
| Fox wrote: | We know the solution. We just don't like it.
Jewish schools need endowment funds. When Harvard gives someone a scholarship, they don't send a fundraiser out to make up the difference. They base their scholarships on the income generated by their investments.
Decades ago, real estate developer George Hanus recognized this problem and started a campaign to encourage every Jew to donate 5 percent of his/her estate upon death to Jewish school endowments.
Unfortunately, most schools are locked in an outdated, ineffective model of raising and spending. And there's never enough raised to keep up with all the worthwhile expenditures.
In order for schools to build endowments, two things have to happen:
1. People have to feel pressure to allocate money in their estates; and
2. Schools have to resist the urge to spend the principal instead of the income.
Yes, too many schools are not transparent enough about their finances, but arguing over the salaries of rebbeim is a fool's errand. Tinkering with salaries won't change anything.
One note, though: if you think there is such a thing as a "part-time teaching job," just admit you've never taught, or if you have, you bombed out.
Teaching typically requires close to the same number of hours of preparation as are spent in class. Someone in the classroom for 25 hours a week is likely spending an additional 20 hours in preparation, evaluation, etc. Sometimes that can be shaved by savvy teachers with lots of experience, but there are too many variables each year to simply press "replay." |
I agree that endowment funds are a solution.
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