Dina or Dalia: opinions

amother

↑ Catmint ↓

Yesterday at 12:13 pm

amother OP wrote:

Ask a gadol…

In my community if you're named something by the Torah it's a name, not saying there isn't value in traditional names/naming after someone etc
But technical Halacha if someone's named Chultza or Shulchan it would be a name

amother

↑ Catmint ↓

Yesterday at 12:13 pm

amother OP wrote:

There is a known person in Tanach with this name

Right that's my point. It's a name.
There are other people in Tanach whose names are things too

amother

↑ Catmint ↓

Yesterday at 12:15 pm

How can something "not be a name" if someone is named it according to Torah? What's the Shita behind it
I understand Gedolim would recommend certain types of names over others for different reasons, but I'm trying to gain understanding about what something "not being a name" means

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 12:23 pm

I would appreciate if this discussion was taken elsewhere

essie14

Yesterday at 12:51 pm

All flowers "are names" in my circles.
I love the name Dalia.

amother

Aqua

Yesterday at 1:14 pm

Definitely Dina not Dalia.
Dalia wouldn't fly in my circles.
But we do Dina with an e -Dena.
It's one of those transliterated names that can go many ways

amother

Fern

Yesterday at 1:21 pm

itsokay wrote:

To me Dalia is cooler than Deena but I'm not in your circles so YMMV

itsokay wrote:

Lakewood yeshivish

Dalia is an accepted name in the Yeshivish Lakewood circles?

amother

Anemone

Yesterday at 1:31 pm

I know Chassidish Dina’s and a Dalia.

Iymnok

Yesterday at 1:42 pm

I love Dee-Nah spelled Dinah.
But it may be mispronounced as Die-na.

In highschool two girls regularly argued Die-na (Dina) or Deh-na (Dena).

amother

↑ OP ↓

Yesterday at 1:43 pm

Iymnok wrote:

I love Dee-Nah spelled Dinah.
But it may be mispronounced as Die-na.

In highschool two girls regularly argued Die-na (Dina) or Deh-na (Dena).

Yes I would pronounce Deena.

Raisin

Yesterday at 1:46 pm

It depends on your circles.

I like Dina, in some circles it might be old fashioned. (in more RW circles names don't go out of fashion)

Not a fan of Dalia, its prob old fashioned in all circles.

There is also a flower in english Dahlia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahlia

↑ Ruchel

Yesterday at 1:50 pm

Dee na spelled Dina, MAYBE Dinah but Dena is den a to me

amother

Pink

Yesterday at 1:59 pm

Dalia over Dina.

I'm MO from North Jersey. I know people who have both names of all ages.

amother

Dodgerblue ↓

Yesterday at 2:03 pm

amother Catmint wrote:

What do you mean by “according to Torah”? Names that appear in the Torah are all considered real names but we obviously don’t use the ones with a bad association like Esav, Nimrod, Paroh or Lavan. Names of objects from the Torah aren’t considered names, they’re names of objects in lashon kodesh.

We believe in a concept of generations becoming weaker. It’s kind of the opposite of Darwinism. Spiritually we’re moving away from the pinnacle which was maamad Har Sina, and our spiritual strength is on a steady downward trajectory.
The names that the Avos and Imahos chose for their children or names like Avraham, Sarah, Yisrael and Yehoshua that Hashem gave, obviously have a mesora and we continue to use them. We still give credit to our ancestors in later generations to have given names with spiritual significance and continue to use names they gave. We don’t give ourselves the same credit, so names that people just started to use in the last hundred years or so, especially names chosen by non observant individuals, aren’t considered Jewish names with a mesora.

I know this will be unpopular. You asked so I answered. Giving a baby a Jewish name is important. If you want to give your kids the gift of a genuine Jewish name, best speak your lor.

Chayalle ↓

Yesterday at 2:16 pm

Bnei Berak 10 wrote:

Dina is דין השם
I personally would avoid it.
Dalia is a flower. Acc. to Reb Chaim Kanievsky it is not a name.
Chareidi Israeli circles

Honestly I find this strange. Dina is a name from the Torah. She was the daughter of Yaakov Avinu, and her daughter was the mother of Shevet Yosef.

amother

Mauve

Yesterday at 2:56 pm

Im a Dena.
Growing up I felt it was old fashioned (although I was one of 2 in my class of 25ish).
Recently though I have met quite a few baby denas (israeli chareidi).

I have a close relative dalia. I have never heard it used in chareidi circles here

↑ itsokay

Yesterday at 3:06 pm

amother Fern wrote:

Dalia is an accepted name in the Yeshivish Lakewood circles?

Not really that's why it's cool lol
I mean how do you define accepted you know?

↑ Chayalle

Yesterday at 3:09 pm

itsokay wrote:

Not really that's why it's cool lol
I mean how do you define accepted you know?

I don't think of Dalia as cool. I think of it as Israeli.

amother

White

Yesterday at 3:49 pm

I think both are beautiful names, you can't go wrong! The one thing is that Dina has such a sad story in the Torah. But of course that is not really a problem -- most people in Tanach had difficult lives and she was a tzadeikes anyway

amother

Bluebell

Yesterday at 3:54 pm

amother Fern wrote:

Dalia is an accepted name in the Yeshivish Lakewood circles?

There are only 7 Dalia's on Lakewood smart list.