Please explain Chardal hashkafa to me

amother

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Yesterday at 7:57 am

amother Wheat wrote:

Please help me understand.
If a family is RWMO in the US, would they likely transition to Chardal in Israel?

As a stereotypic example- an American boy who learns in Kerem B'Yavne for a year or two, goes to YU, marries a Stern girl, works in computers, prioritizes limud Torah, careful with halacha and is close with his rebbeim.

Do they typically exchange the velvet yarmulka and black hat for a kipa sruga? What differences would they encounter in practice and culture? What are communities (both culturally Israeli and Anglo) where this type of family tends to settle? Is the generation gap between these American RWMO olim parents and their kids any different than other olim?

They definitely sometimes join a torani/chardal community. I personally think it's the best fit and most similar hashkaficly. There are yishuvim in Yehuda vshomron that are usually more Israeli and all torani but in a lot of cities there are torani/chardal communities and schools (like Moriah school in RBS)

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Yesterday at 1:17 pm

amother Wheat wrote:

Please help me understand.
If a family is RWMO in the US, would they likely transition to Chardal in Israel?

As a stereotypic example- an American boy who learns in Kerem B'Yavne for a year or two, goes to YU, marries a Stern girl, works in computers, prioritizes limud Torah, careful with halacha and is close with his rebbeim.

Do they typically exchange the velvet yarmulka and black hat for a kipa sruga? What about pronunciation (e.g. CHU-mish vs choo-MASH)?

What differences would they encounter in practice and culture? What are communities (both culturally Israeli and Anglo) where this type of family tends to settle? Is the generation gap between these American RWMO olim parents and their kids any different than other olim?

It depends what they want. Some people want to change lanes when they make aliyah. I know so many people who were MO in the US and when they made aliyah they chose to be chareidi. Those people usually make aliyah single or as a young couple.

When families make aliyah they usually are more settled unless they have a specific need to make a change. So a RWMO family will fit right in at a Torani school.

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Yesterday at 1:21 pm

shabbatiscoming wrote:

As another poster said chardal and torani are not exactly the same.
Ill tell you that a garin torani doesnt have to do with being a certain type of dati. Its just a group of frum couples stsrting a community or strengthening a community.
And there are definitely people who call themselves chardal Smile

Interesting. I have kids in quote unquote "chardal" schools. My kids never describe their teachers or school that way. They'll describe a family as "real mercaz harav type". Or a person as shtark or dos, not with the insulting connotation.

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Yesterday at 3:46 pm

amother Mayflower wrote:

If these the girls chardal high schools in Jerusalem, what are the boys chardal high schools that are the equivalent? Do the boys learn secular studies?

In general most of the boys learn either in yeshivot ketanot (where they don't learn secular subjects at all for the first three years but most do learn in the fourth year and do bagrut) or yeshivot tichoniot (there are a bunch of yeshivot tichoniot that are known as yeshiva tichonit toranit, where they learn only a couple of hours of secular subjects a day and all the rest kodesh).

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Yesterday at 3:57 pm

Reality wrote:

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