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Today at 9:27 am
amother OP wrote: | I do personally think that bulking up her foods will just cause her to eat less, but it’s worth a try.
Let’s see how today goes. |
You could be right, but don't try it just for a day. Carry on offering for a week or so. Give her time to adjust.
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Today at 1:25 pm
In my experience, the Dr first tried upping calorie intake before all the tests and we wasted time. I would ask for some testing to be done at the same time as upping calories
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Today at 1:55 pm
renslet wrote: | In my experience, the Dr first tried upping calorie intake before all the tests and we wasted time. I would ask for some testing to be done at the same time as upping calories |
Same experience.
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Today at 2:11 pm
amother OP wrote: | Ok, I tried to put together a feeding schedule/menu. Please give me feedback on it.
4 oz bottle at wakeup
Breakfast
1. Oatmeal with peanut butter and a banana or
2. Eggs with olive oil and bread
4 oz bottle before/after nap
Lunch:
1. Bread and avocado or
2. Please post an idea if you have one
Snack: Bamba, cheese..?
Dinner:
1. chicken and vegetable or
2. Please post an idea if you have one
4 oz bottle at bedtime
Any suggestions welcome. |
mom if a medically complex/feeding challenged kiddo here. These are my thoughts:
Definitely push for testing if your gut tells you something is wrong.
The RSV history makes me wonder if it could be a respiratory concern. Was she intubated or on CPAP at any point?
For weight gain:
I’d fortify her formula bottles. 22 or 24 calories per ounce is low risk and most kiddos aren’t bothered by it. 24 calories is easiest with formula, you just do 3 scoops for a 5 oz bottle, or you can make 10 oz and just pour servings when she needs them.
Replace milk in recipes with evaporated milk, or even sweetened condensed milk on her oatmeal.
You can also add powdered milk to most anything milchigs.
Use butter in dairy recipes instead of olive oil. It’s slightly lower calorie but has cholesterol that is good for brain development. Add cheese and milk to her eggs.
Pan fry her bread. It comes out like toast but lots of calories.
Lunch idea would be macaroni and cheese made with 1/2 evaporated milk 1/2 whole, lots of butter and lots of cheese. You could use protein noodles if she’ll eat them.
Soft dried fruits like dates or mango are a good snack. Greek yogurt too. you can make energy balls out of peanut butter, almond butter, even techina. If you have Instagram, plant based juniors has a lot of good recipes.
Dinner ideas:
Shnitzel, meatloaf, or meatballs with mashed potatoes made with Mayo and margarine (that will absolutely out me to anyone IRL but I promise you they’re delicious). Use coconut milk or soy milk as the liquid in meatballs/meatloaf.
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amother
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Today at 2:14 pm
Based on the full picture you need to insist on testing and looking for possible issues.
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Today at 2:36 pm
I had a dd who wasn't gaining weight or height. I was concerned as she was induced due to growth issues as well.
The dr ran a bunch of tests to rule out anything medical, diabetes, thyroid, heart condition, and gastro things like celiac and bh all of those were fine. I would definitely look at thorough testing to rule anything out medically before anything else.
The dietician told us to look at her intake over the week rather than individual days as some children will eat more one day and less another, but are overall taking in enough calories.
I personally don't think your menu sounds so terrible, and I'm not sure if your dd is simply not gaining much weight or losing it, as even if she is gaining a little, that's still something.
Now my dd is a few years old and she is still extremely petite but the dr is happy that she is gaining along her line. And she has finally gone on the height percentiles, even if it is the very bottom. But as dh tells me someone has to be the one on the 1st percentile.
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Today at 6:31 pm
My son with celiac dropped weight percentiles more drastically than height so it’s definitely a possibility. The problem with celiac is that testing isn’t always accurate at such a young age.
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amother
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Today at 6:38 pm
amother Mintgreen wrote: | Is the bolded really necessary? I'm sure there are plenty of kids out there (mine included-they are all adults now) who certainly never had this and their brain development is fine. |
Yes because they didn't need it. Any child with delays a lot of omega-3s to compensate for what their body can't process the way a normal person will. If your kid's developing typically you wouldn't be concerned.
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amother
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Today at 6:39 pm
amother OP wrote: | All kinds. This is a sample of what her eating schedule looks like on an average day:
A 2 oz bottle (one scoop formula) right when she wakes up
Breakfast is oatmeal and applesauce. Sometimes if she's hungry enough she'll eat a small banana too.
Then she has another 2 oz bottle when I put her down for her nap.
Lunch is usually a slice of WW bread and half an avocado.
Another 2 oz bottle in the late afternoon. Sometimes if she's hungry I'll give her a 4 oz bottle
Dinner is usually mashed vegetable and chicken patties but she started refusing that so I'll have to come up with something else.
In addition to all that she has a 5 oz bottle in middle of the night.
I think it sounds normal to me |
My baby wasn't gaining weight around this age and was actively losing weight at some point, we went to a pediatric nutritionist who specalized in ages 0-2. Here is what we did with her guidance.
Two main things to focus on, quantity of food and quality of food.
Quantity of meals/bottles: 3 meals a day and 2 major snacks a day, each one with a bottle of formula, breastmilk, or cow's milk. Looks like this:
- wakeup - bottle and breakfast
- before nap - snack and bottle
- lunchtime - lunch and bottle
- afternoon - snack and bottle
- dinnertime - dinner and bottle
- 1 bottle in middle of night (dream feed before I went to bed)
Quality of meals and snacks needs to be shifted to maximize the amount and the kind of calories for the amount of food she is eating.
- Every single meal and snack should include protein and fat.
- If she has oatmeal/applesauce/banana for breakfast, that is good, but protein and fat need to be added. Add in some high fat yogurt or greek yogurt into her oatmeal or on the side. Or add in butter to her oatmeal and give her some cottage cheese on the side. Or serve oatmeal and add cream to her applesauce and also add some protein on the side like a piece of cheese.
- for morning snack you can do cheese and crackers, or natural peanut butter or other nut butter (thin layer) on rice cake, breadsticks or toast strips dipped in techina or hummus, tuna salad on crackers.
- Lunch of whole wheat bread and avocado is good, but needs protein and fat added. Add some butter on the WW bread or drizzle some olive oil on the bread and/or avocado. Add in protein in the form of anything - scrambled eggs made in olive oil (you can throw pieces of avocado on top, or put the whole thing on toast), or if the avocado is mashed then mash in a hard boiled egg and a bit of olive oil and spread it on toast. Or add fruit based pancakes (eggs, flour, milk plus pureed or chunks of fruit - peach is a favorite here) fried in butter.
- for afternoon snack, choose something else from the morning snack list, cheese and crackers, or natural peanut butter or other nut butter (thin layer) on rice cake, toast strips dipped in techina or hummus, tuna salad on crackers.
- for dinner, add olive oil to the mashed vegetables, and chicken patties are great. If she doesn't want that, try roasted veggies with olive oil along with meatballs and spaghetti. Or pasta with a tomato sauce made with vegetables and olive oil, with lots of cheese. Or tuna patties or salmon patties (fried in olive oil) with some potato wedges drizzled with butter. Or try schnitzel or baked chicken with sweet potato (drizzled in oil) on the side. Or beans and brown rice, add in some vegetables, don't forget the oil. Or try soups with chicken or meat and vegetables. Or lentil soup or split pea soup with vegetables. Fry tofu squares in oil with some stir fry vegetables.
Basically, no fruit or vegetables without fat added (cream, butter, oil). And no meal without a protein - vary between eggs, chicken, meat, legumes (beans, lentils, peas, chickpeas/hummus etc), nut/seed spreads (technia, peanut butter, cashew butter, almond butter), protein-based dairy - cheese slices, shredded cheese, cottage cheese.
Also, might be best to give the food before the bottle, so they don't fill up their entire appetite on formula first, to keep things balanced.
Note, you can also do 4 big meals instead of 3 main meals + 2 snacks.
This really helped my baby with weight gain.
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Today at 6:50 pm
amother Chestnut wrote: | My baby wasn't gaining weight around this age and was actively losing weight at some point, we went to a pediatric nutritionist who specalized in ages 0-2. Here is what we did with her guidance.
Two main things to focus on, quantity of food and quality of food.
Quantity of meals/bottles: 3 meals a day and 2 major snacks a day, each one with a bottle of formula, breastmilk, or cow's milk. Looks like this:
- wakeup - bottle and breakfast
- before nap - snack and bottle
- lunchtime - lunch and bottle
- afternoon - snack and bottle
- dinnertime - dinner and bottle
- 1 bottle in middle of night (dream feed before I went to bed)
Quality of meals and snacks needs to be shifted to maximize the amount and the kind of calories for the amount of food she is eating.
- Every single meal and snack should include protein and fat.
- If she has oatmeal/applesauce/banana for breakfast, that is good, but protein and fat need to be added. Add in some high fat yogurt or greek yogurt into her oatmeal or on the side. Or add in butter to her oatmeal and give her some cottage cheese on the side. Or serve oatmeal and add cream to her applesauce and also add some protein on the side like a piece of cheese.
- for morning snack you can do cheese and crackers, or natural peanut butter or other nut butter (thin layer) on rice cake, breadsticks or toast strips dipped in techina or hummus, tuna salad on crackers.
- Lunch of whole wheat bread and avocado is good, but needs protein and fat added. Add some butter on the WW bread or drizzle some olive oil on the bread and/or avocado. Add in protein in the form of anything - scrambled eggs made in olive oil (you can throw pieces of avocado on top, or put the whole thing on toast), or if the avocado is mashed then mash in a hard boiled egg and a bit of olive oil and spread it on toast. Or add fruit based pancakes (eggs, flour, milk plus pureed or chunks of fruit - peach is a favorite here) fried in butter.
- for afternoon snack, choose something else from the morning snack list, cheese and crackers, or natural peanut butter or other nut butter (thin layer) on rice cake, toast strips dipped in techina or hummus, tuna salad on crackers.
- for dinner, add olive oil to the mashed vegetables, and chicken patties are great. If she doesn't want that, try roasted veggies with olive oil along with meatballs and spaghetti. Or pasta with a tomato sauce made with vegetables and olive oil, with lots of cheese. Or tuna patties or salmon patties (fried in olive oil) with some potato wedges drizzled with butter. Or try schnitzel or baked chicken with sweet potato (drizzled in oil) on the side. Or beans and brown rice, add in some vegetables, don't forget the oil. Or try soups with chicken or meat and vegetables. Or lentil soup or split pea soup with vegetables. Fry tofu squares in oil with some stir fry vegetables.
Basically, no fruit or vegetables without fat added (cream, butter, oil). And no meal without a protein - vary between eggs, chicken, meat, legumes (beans, lentils, peas, chickpeas/hummus etc), nut/seed spreads (technia, peanut butter, cashew butter, almond butter), protein-based dairy - cheese slices, shredded cheese, cottage cheese.
Also, might be best to give the food before the bottle, so they don't fill up their entire appetite on formula first, to keep things balanced.
Note, you can also do 4 big meals instead of 3 main meals + 2 snacks.
This really helped my baby with weight gain. |
I just wanted to add, my dd also had a physical developmental delay. That is why protein and fat are both needed (and not just fat), the protein supports muscle development which is critical in advancing motor skills.
Helping my dd gain weight also helped her motor delay.
Never force a child to eat. We had a schedule and at meal or snack times, we put the baby in her high chair and put the food in front of her. Then we sat down to eat while she was eating (this was actual advice from the nutritionist, the environment around eating and the social eating and parents modeling eating have a big contribution). We don't feed her, whatever she eats is up to her. We just make sure to put all the foods in front of her and let her choose. If I eat the same thing, often that encourages her to try it. But we just carry out a normal meal without discussing what every one is eating. Eventually they try more things. It is a process and can take several weeks.
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Today at 7:21 pm
amother Mintgreen wrote: | Is the bolded really necessary? I'm sure there are plenty of kids out there (mine included-they are all adults now) who certainly never had this and their brain development is fine. |
For a little one with failure to thrive, it is essential in order for them to develop properly. Those few calories that they are consuming (since they're not eating properly or their body is not absorbing it properly, hense failure to thrive) need to be so incredibly nutritionally dense with the vitamins and minerals the brain usually gets by default in from others who eat a regular diet. Generally the body can take little bits from here and there, some from every meal and food type, and here it is not happening.
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