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amother

↑ Ecru ↓

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 7:15 am

Hidden wrote:

I thought Moshe was Abba?

We don't know yet who's who just that their father took someone's identity

cupcake123

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 8:03 am

I feel like this is the type of story I want to read 2x

↑ Hidden ↓

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 8:44 am

amother Ecru wrote:

We don't know yet who's who just that their father took someone's identity

In this past weeks Penina found birth certificates for Riva Garfinkel and Gavriel Garfinkel, doesn't that mean Abba is Moish Garfinkel?

↑ juggling

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 8:47 am

Hidden wrote:

In this past weeks Penina found birth certificates for Riva Garfinkel and Gavriel Garfinkel, doesn't that mean Abba is Moish Garfinkel?

It's certainly a strong indication...

amother

Mustard

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 8:52 am

How did reva never see her birth certificate? Didn’t she ever need it? How did she not need her birth certificate to get her license or passport? Doesn’t make sense

amother

↑ Mintcream ↓

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 3:03 pm

amother Mustard wrote:

How did reva never see her birth certificate? Didn’t she ever need it? How did she not need her birth certificate to get her license or passport? Doesn’t make sense

it's fiction...

also to back up my Martin theory, at the end of chapter 21 Martin seems very interested in Penina's googling and researching of moishe garfinkle, and then it says she has a lot of uneasy feelings. This is a quote from after Martin asks her about what she's googling :

"Penina's on edge now, something scraping at her mind like a constant drilling. There’s a perpetual prickle in her spine, a heat that has her twisting around as though she’s being watched.

Rivi’s words must have gotten to her, made her uneasy and self-conscious. She straightens in her chair. Whirls around when she sees a flash of movement, but it’s just Martin sauntering to the water cooler. She exhales. She’s being ridiculous. This is about the Gabe situation and the strangeness of the Cohen… Garfinkel situation and her unease with both of them.

But there’s still a chill at the back of her neck, an eerie certainty that something is wrong. That she has awakened something dangerous today, and there’s no going back."

does that not sound like major foreshadowing??

amother

↑ Blush ↓

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 3:22 pm

amother Mustard wrote:

How did reva never see her birth certificate? Didn’t she ever need it? How did she not need her birth certificate to get her license or passport? Doesn’t make sense

That and, you can't just find someone else's birth certificate online. But yes, it's fiction.

amother

↑ Blush

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 3:29 pm

If Moish Garfinkel was Abba, and he was also Avigdor Cohen's best friend, and assumed Avigdor's identity after he died, the explanation as to why Abba did so will be redemptive. He wanted to spare Avigdor's mother, who had dementia anyway, the pain of knowing she lost her child or something that shows he had pure intentions. The big reveal won't be that Abba was a just a regular con-artist.

↑ iyar ↓

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 4:01 pm

amother Mintcream wrote:

I loved that part about the chill at the back of her neck. I could almost hear the scary Alfred Hitchcock style music that’s supposed to make you hold your breath. I’m definitely not holding my breath until the next installment, but the author is having fun doing everything she can to create that effect.
I agree with Blush. There’s going to be a redeeming explanation for Abba’s decision to take on his friend’s identity. He’s not going to end up being a bad guy. And we already know Gabe isn’t a kohen and he’d make a great father so we have that part of the story off to a satisfying ending too. It’s a bonus that the author writes so well that we’ll let her do the work and end her serial, instead of us writing the conclusion right here on imamother.

amother

↑ Seafoam

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 4:34 pm

juggling wrote:

Probably. And the reason he took his identity has something to do with his paranoia. And the aborted Israel trip and the letter on the hotel stationery.

I'm assuming he had some guilt surrounding the circumstances of Avigdor's death, and he didn't want Avigdor's mother to find out he had died. So he buried him on his own and assumed his identity. And then regularly took his kids to visit Avigdor's mother, who had dementia and didn't realize they weren't her own grandchildren.

Did the real Avigdor have kids? A wife? What happened to Riva and Gabe's mother? There are still so many details that don't add up in this story.

am I the only one feeling that the real father is avigdor and not the one that recently died? He raised them more like a distant stepdad than a distant father. They were really young when they moved.

amother

Stoneblue

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 5:06 pm

Penina senses danger. I'm thinking maybe that means they were in the witness protection program? The father had to assume another identity for safety.
That would make sense in regards to being able to obtain new birth certificates. Riva and Gabe were too young to remember.
Just guessing, of course.

amother

↑ Hunter ↓

Sun, Nov 10 2024, 11:04 pm

amother Seafoam wrote:

am I the only one feeling that the real father is avigdor and not the one that recently died? He raised them more like a distant stepdad than a distant father. They were really young when they moved.

No. The DNA tests revealed that Abba was their real father, and that the man in the grave was not related to them, but was a real Cohen.

amother

↑ Mintcream ↓

Mon, Nov 11 2024, 2:00 am

I REALLY REALLY hope that the ending won't be that they were spies/Witness Protection/Undercover/CIA/FBI/Mossad!! these plots are so overdone no matter how you slice it

↑ Hidden

Mon, Nov 11 2024, 2:35 am

amother Mintcream wrote:

I REALLY REALLY hope that the ending won't be that they were spies/Witness Protection/Undercover/CIA/FBI/Mossad!! these plots are so overdone no matter how you slice it

I don't think it will be because of that note that someone left while they were in Israel, "I know what you did"

amother

↑ Mintcream ↓

Mon, Nov 11 2024, 3:45 am

amother Blush wrote:

That and, you can't just find someone else's birth certificate online. But yes, it's fiction.

well, I think Penina was able to find it cuz she's a cybersecurity specialist and she was able to do a more thorough sweep on the internet for it. but I'll say it again, at the end of the day, its fiction

amother

Carnation

Mon, Nov 11 2024, 6:03 am

Maybe this will all be answered, but how is it that no one at all remembers who Moish/Avigor used to be? The Cohens were a well-off family with a business, weren't they? No one in the entire town knew Moish/Abba wasn't Avigdor? And Moish or whoever Abba was had no family? Or the mother, who we know nothing about, had no family?
I realize it's fiction, but it should make some sense.
Maybe this is part of why he took on Avigor's role? Some kind of family tragedy he was trying to get away from?
Seems too strange for someone to just put his life on hold and be able to take another one with no one noticing.
Maybe Martin is part of the other life?
Maybe they have to go to Beartown and see who remembers anyone from the previous life?
I guess that's why Abba never went anywhere.

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Mon, Nov 11 2024, 8:01 am

amother Mintcream wrote:

I REALLY REALLY hope that the ending won't be that they were spies/Witness Protection/Undercover/CIA/FBI/Mossad!! these plots are so overdone no matter how you slice it

Wouldn't they have been resettled somewhere far away?

amother

↑ Mintcream ↓

Mon, Nov 11 2024, 8:19 am

amother Carnation wrote:

I was wondering the same thing. Lenape Falls seems to be a very hocky-type town, I'm sure there is lore going all the way back. I hope the author will integrate that aspect to the plot

amother

↑ Hunter ↓

Mon, Nov 11 2024, 8:43 am

I wonder if Moish took on the identity of his best friend because Avigdor asked him to before he died.
Maybe Moish was with him in his final moments, amd Avigdor- who knew Moish's secret, felt it was the only way out of his dangerous predicament.

So Moish's impersonation is somehow a way to honor his friend's final request, as well as a way to keep his family safe.

From a haalchic point of view, there are a number of things that bother me:
Who buried Avigdor? Was it Moish (Abba)? Did he do it in a proper kosher way?
Also, how could Abba pretend to be a Cohen? That's a very serious issue and could lead to all sorts of halachic shaylos and brachos levatala.
Was Rivi's kesuba kosher? Did it list her father's name on the kesuba as a Cohen? As someone who is not a bas kohen, her son would need a pidyon haben.

I REALLY hope the author thought through all these things before embarking on the story. It's very nice to have a plot where the twist is that now Gabe could marry Penina, since he is not a real Cohen. But there are so many other problematic issues aside for this one factor.

amother

Buttercup ↓

Mon, Nov 11 2024, 8:58 am

amother Hunter wrote:

I wonder if Moish took on the identity of his best friend because Avigdor asked him to before he died.
Maybe Moish was with him in his final moments, amd Avigdor- who knew Moish's secret, felt it was the only way out of his dangerous predicament.

So Moish's impersonation is somehow a way to honor his friend's final request, as well as a way to keep his family safe.

From a haalchic point of view, there are a number of things that bother me:
Who buried Moish? Was it Avigdor? Did he do it in a proper kosher way?
Also, how could Avigdor pretend to be a Cohen? That's a very serious issue and could lead to all sorts of halachic shaylos and brachos levatala.
Was Rivi's kesuba kosher? Did it list her father's name on the kesuba as a Cohen? As someone who is not a bas kohen, her son would need a pidyon haben.

I REALLY hope the author thought through all these things before embarking on the story. It's very nice to have a plot where the twist is that now Gabe could marry Penina, since he is not a real Cohen. But there are so many other problematic issues aside for this one factor.

Wow! So I'm not the only one obsessing over these details. (This story could be a great TV series.) Also, why did he bury him in that plot?

Unrelated, how does one pronounce Lenape Falls? It's been bugging me.

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