S/o how do you feel about mags not having pics of women POLL

amother

↑ Rose ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:41 pm

amother Lilac wrote:

So then let's have background pics of women 😀. Right now they're non-existent.

On a serious note. I don't think Miriam and Devorah were in the background.

What du mean? Miriam sang Shira WITH THE WOMAN! Not with the men. Because that's how it should be. Are you broiges about that.

amother

↑ Watermelon

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:42 pm

amother Lilac wrote:

Then don't print any pics of men either. It sends a very wrong message.

To who? Their readership is frum, and we all know that there is an issue of shmiras einayim for men but not for women. So they print pics of men bec there's no issue with it, while many men are makpid on shmiras einayim.

Why do people have to create bad intentions when there are none. Don't take it personally.

amother

↑ Bone ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:42 pm

chestnut wrote:

I'll ask again, why not print women's and girls' pics in the women's and kids' mags?

Because much of a Target audience leaves those laying around as well. Everyone in my household will pick it up and flip through it. I don't lock it in a safe just for women And children.

amother

↑ Rose ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:43 pm

amother Lilac wrote:

Whats stopping you from taking 5 min to peruse the magazine and use a black marker to cross out any pics you dont like?

What's stopping you going on-line to find pics of woman featured in the magazine and sticking them in???

amother

↑ Rose ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:45 pm

amother Watermelon wrote:

I'm with you. Don't see what the wrong message is. Woman are not supposed to be out there. Since immemorial that's how it's been.

amother

↑ Lilac ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:46 pm

amother Rose wrote:

What's stopping you going on-line to find pics of woman featured in the magazine and sticking them in???

Come on now. One is a 5 min task and the other is hours long task. Especially if all print materials follow the same course - there aren't any pics anywhere!!!

amother

↑ Lilac ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:47 pm

amother Bone wrote:

Because much of a Target audience leaves those laying around as well. Everyone in my household will pick it up and flip through it. I don't lock it in a safe just for women And children.

This requires education and being mechanech your family. Just teach them that this is for women. Teach them to take responsibility for their own shmoras einoyim instead of demanding others do it for them.

↑ chestnut ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:48 pm

amother Rose wrote:

Why is it sending the wrong message?? Ever heard of 'hinei soroh b'ohel'? Woman are meant to be in the background, it's what Hashem intended.
Sorry I don't get the 'wrong message' business. Woman are not meant to be 'out there'.

Firstly, "b'ohel" isn't a background. Sarah was out teaching women.
But what does being in the background as a woman mean to you? Can (a general) you sit at the same table on Shabbos? Can you run a business? Can you be a supervisor or CEO?

amother

↑ Bone ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:48 pm

amother Lilac wrote:

Then don't print any pics of men either. It sends a very wrong message.

This was in response to my previous post so I'll answer.

Because the implications of a man in a kippah seruga or even without a kippah at all are NOT the same (hashkafically or halachikally) as the picture of lady (a rabbanit!) who's hair or collarbone is exposed. And why should we miss out on hearing from that lady because the magazine can't be put in a position to police her picture.

You're not entering into areas of halacha and erva with men.

I have a smartphone, unfiltered but locked, and I peruse many things online. But I don't leave any of those things laying around for my kids. Macy's catalogues and the like are thrown out without coming into our house. I'm not extreme, I'm most often in a bobo and scarf, and my kids are very middle of the road. For magazines that I'm getting for the entire family to enjoy, I I am very happy they err on the more strict side.

amother

↑ Rose ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:50 pm

amother Lilac wrote:

'just teach them', riggght. There are so many no's, why can't my kids have a frum magazine? It's another thing to forbid!

↑ chestnut ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:50 pm

amother Bone wrote:

Because much of a Target audience leaves those laying around as well. Everyone in my household will pick it up and flip through it. I don't lock it in a safe just for women And children.

If they know women's pics are there and they're careful with shmiras eynayim, what's the problem?

amother

↑ Lilac ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:51 pm

amother Watermelon wrote:

So we are not asking for pics of women in the main magazine. We want it in the women's portion.

And a man who values shmiraa einoyim will know not to pick up the women's magazine. Problem solved.

The woman's magazine is our space. It's ok for the man to accept that we have our own space too. They should respect that and take some level of responsibility for their own burden of shmiras einoyim.

amother

↑ Bone ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:52 pm

amother Lilac wrote:

I wouldn't buy the magazine if it was only for certain members of the household. Just like I don't buy secular magazines/newspapers that I browse online. I started purchasing and subscribing for almost 2 decades now because it fits into our lives. I'm not very right wing, I'm certainly not extreme, but I like the parve kosher view.

(And yes, it's open-minded...I was originally surprised to see features about women who spend their time traveling, doing creative professions, doing high academic professions, an inspirational figures from all types of frum life. I don't fine the ones I read closed-minded in content.)

↑ chestnut ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:53 pm

amother Bone wrote:

These mags already have separate mags for men, women, and kids.

amother

↑ Butterscotch

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:54 pm

amother Bone wrote:

Because the implications of a man in a kippah seruga or even without a kippah at all are NOT the same (hashkafically or halachikally) as the picture of lady (a rabbanit!) who's hair or collarbone is exposed. And why should we miss out on hearing from that lady because the magazine can't be put in a position to police her picture.

They don't have to put a picture of every single woman they mention. Many times there is a male author or a male subject without a picture. It's more like, if they have a picture available that is tznius and acceptable, use it, and if they don't, don't put a picture. The same way if they couldn't get a flattering picture of the man they won't put a weird one, they'll just publish the article without a picture of him at all.

amother

↑ Lilac ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:54 pm

amother Rose wrote:

'just teach them', riggght. There are so many no's, why can't my kids have a frum magazine? It's another thing to forbid!

Forbid what? The men have their own magazine. Are the women not allowed to have their own one too?

This is actually a great lesson for children to incorporate. It's ok for others to have their own space. Not everything revolves around them. They can learn to respect other people spaces. And they can learn to carry their own responsibilities by themselves.

In short they learn to be mentchen without giving up much. Win-win

PinkFridge

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:56 pm

chestnut wrote:

Why can't they put women's pics in the women's and kids' magazines only?

So are you saying Family First is a women's magazine and the main Mishpacha is men? No crossover reading?

amother

↑ Lilac ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:57 pm

amother Bone wrote:

Confused. Do you have awareness of the magazines being discussed here. They are multiple magazines packaged together. There's the primary edition heavily focused on men's topics, and then there's a smaller women's magazines plus a kids magazine too.

So everyone has something in there for them. The primary edition won't have any womens pics and that's good for all men in the household. The women's magazine will have pics of women and this will cater to the women folk. And the kids magazines will have pics of boys and girls.

Something for everyone! See how easy it is.

amother

↑ Rose ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:58 pm

chestnut wrote:

B'ohel means in her tent, which alludes to her being tznius.

And you're correct, Soroh taught woman. Not men. I teach 7th grade girls. But would you be happy if I taught your 7th grade son?
I think not. If I'm wrong, you're in a different walk of life then mine. But many many communities wouldn't want their bar mitzvah boys being taught by a woman.

Yes I can run a business or be a CEO, there are halachos regarding how to work with the opposite gender. And I'm sure it would be okay to show my male co-worker pictures of my teenage girls.

↑ chestnut ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 9:00 pm

PinkFridge wrote:

So are you saying Family First is a women's magazine and the main Mishpacha is men? No crossover reading?

I happen to read both (I like Ami more), but families I've seen don't "cross read". I don't think there are too many chassidishe/very yeshivishe men interested in women's serials or stories about other women. Women should have no problem reading the main/men's mag.