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How do you feel about pictures of women not be featured in magazines?
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Trademark
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 Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:21 pm
| chestnut wrote: | Their values, you say? How come Mishpacha online has women's pictures?
Afaik, Mishpacha could never answer which Rav psak they followed, although they were asked many times. |
It's been mentioned here already multiple times that it's about advertisers not values.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:22 pm
| amother Rose wrote: | They know their readershiip. I imagine they know they'd lose readers if they printed pics of woman.
There are many magazines that print pics of woman, but anyone who wants frum magazines has to accept their values. |
The thing is, the magazines themselves aren't supportive of those values for the most part. They just do it for financial reasons. This is their reasoning:
- if they print pics they lost a portion of their market share
- if they don't print pics, those who are unhappy don't have alternatives, so they'll reluctantly buy it anyways.
So here we are. If we were to collectively stop buying their magazines bec of the picture issue, it would trigger a change, but we will never organize ourselves around this.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:22 pm
| chestnut wrote: | Their values, you say? How come Mishpacha online has women's pictures?
Afaik, Mishpacha could never answer which Rav psak they followed, although they were asked many times. |
It's not values, it's $$$$
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:23 pm
| Trademark wrote: | | It's been mentioned here already multiple times that it's about advertisers not values. |
That's right
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:24 pm
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Who cares. I'm not looking for a picture book . I'm interested in the written content
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:27 pm
I see no reason not to cater to the stricter parts of the community. It is already such a tiny business market. These papers need to earn a parnassah.
The only time I get annoyed is with if they gloss over like a prime minister or president or someone. But to me its a business decision that makes sense and a sensitivity that isn't harmful to cater to.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:27 pm
| amother White wrote: | | Who cares. I'm not looking for a picture book . I'm interested in the written content |
Great. So let's remove all men pics too, and issue is resolved.
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:28 pm
| amother Rose wrote: | | The people who read it online aren't the same people who read the print mag obviously. |
Do you think MO or dati leumi read Mishpacha online?
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:28 pm
| amother Lilac wrote: | The thing is, the magazines themselves aren't supportive of those values for the most part. They just do it for financial reasons. This is their reasoning:
- if they print pics they lost a portion of their market share
- if they don't print pics, those who are unhappy don't have alternatives, so they'll reluctantly buy it anyways.
So here we are. If we were to collectively stop buying their magazines bec of the picture issue, it would trigger a change, but we will never organize ourselves around this. |
Any business can make their own rules, it's their right. No-one's forced to buy it.
Many people don't want woman's pics, and many don't care either way.
I would be very upset if there was a campaign to pressure them to print pictures. I want to bring a magazine into my house which reflect my values. I have a husband and son's, and having pictures of woman is not something I would bring into my house.
Anyone who wants pictures can still buy the magazine, it doesn't change the content. But many people, myself included would stop buying it.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:28 pm
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I don't love that they exclude women but as others said, that alone wouldn't stop me from buying a magazine if that magazine is my only option. But I agree that when they blur out or exclude little girls but have no problem publishing little boys, that bothers me a lot and I hate the message it's sending our boys and girls.
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:32 pm
| amother Lightblue wrote: | I see no reason not to cater to the stricter parts of the community. It is already such a tiny business market. These papers need to earn a parnassah.
The only time I get annoyed is with if they gloss over like a prime minister or president or someone. But to me its a business decision that makes sense and a sensitivity that isn't harmful to cater to. |
Why does it annoy you if they gloss over a female president or PM if you're all for catering to the strictest norms?
Are women during the Holocaust less worthy being featured than presidents?
Oh, and hello, stickers on cereal boxes in supermarkets. That's what happens when you cater to the "stricter part of the community"
Last edited by chestnut on Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:42 pm; edited 1 time in total
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:32 pm
| chestnut wrote: | | Do you think MO or dati leumi read Mishpacha online? |
The more right-wing Yeshivish aren't reading it online for the most part.
And that's why this poll is meaningless - most people who don't want pics in magazines won't be on imamother. (And they're likely a bigger target market since these magazines are THE reading material and news source for them.)
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:34 pm
| amother Lightblue wrote: | I see no reason not to cater to the stricter parts of the community. It is already such a tiny business market. These papers need to earn a parnassah.
The only time I get annoyed is with if they gloss over like a prime minister or president or someone. But to me its a business decision that makes sense and a sensitivity that isn't harmful to cater to. |
But it is harmful. It sends the wrong message. It feeds the perspective that women are objects and more. (See other thread for better explanations.)
Extremism and being strict is not without consequences. It also sets a slippery slope where stricter group create demands and expect society to cave to them.
Why can't the stricter group work with the rest of society. They can cross out the photos or paste stickers on top. Why do we cave to them to our detriment when they have options. The current method serves one group while denying any options at all for the rest.
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:35 pm
| amother Rose wrote: | Any business can make their own rules, it's their right. No-one's forced to buy it.
Many people don't want woman's pics, and many don't care either way.
I would be very upset if there was a campaign to pressure them to print pictures. I want to bring a magazine into my house which reflect my values. I have a husband and son's, and having pictures of woman is not something I would bring into my house.
Anyone who wants pictures can still buy the magazine, it doesn't change the content. But many people, myself included would stop buying it. |
I'll ask again, why not print women's and girls' pics in the women's and kids' mags?
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:35 pm
| amother Coral wrote: | The more right-wing Yeshivish aren't reading it online for the most part.
And that's why this poll is meaningless - most people who don't want pics in magazines won't be on imamother. (And they're likely a bigger target market since these magazines are THE reading material and news source for them.) |
Don't agree with that. Many of the demographic group that don't support pics aren't buying these magazines, so it balances out the equation here online.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:36 pm
| amother Butterscotch wrote: | | I don't love that they exclude women but as others said, that alone wouldn't stop me from buying a magazine if that magazine is my only option. But I agree that when they blur out or exclude little girls but have no problem publishing little boys, that bothers me a lot and I hate the message it's sending our boys and girls. |
Why is it sending the wrong message?? Ever heard of 'hinei soroh b'ohel'? Woman are meant to be in the background, it's what Hashem intended.
Sorry I don't get the 'wrong message' business. Woman are not meant to be 'out there'.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:37 pm
| amother Rose wrote: | Any business can make their own rules, it's their right. No-one's forced to buy it.
Many people don't want woman's pics, and many don't care either way.
I would be very upset if there was a campaign to pressure them to print pictures. I want to bring a magazine into my house which reflect my values. I have a husband and son's, and having pictures of woman is not something I would bring into my house.
Anyone who wants pictures can still buy the magazine, it doesn't change the content. But many people, myself included would stop buying it. |
Whats stopping you from taking 5 min to peruse the magazine and use a black marker to cross out any pics you dont like?
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:38 pm
| amother Rose wrote: | Why is it sending the wrong message?? Ever heard of 'hinei soroh b'ohel'? Woman are meant to be in the background, it's what Hashem intended.
Sorry I don't get the 'wrong message' business. Woman are not meant to be 'out there'. |
So then let's have background pics of women 😀. Right now they're non-existent.
On a serious note. I don't think Miriam and Devorah were in the background.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:39 pm
| chestnut wrote: | | I'll ask again, why not print women's and girls' pics in the women's and kids' mags? |
No clue. I'm not the owner of any magazines.
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amother
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Mon, Nov 04 2024, 5:41 pm
| amother Lilac wrote: | | Whats stopping you from taking 5 min to peruse the magazine and use a black marker to cross out any pics you dont like? |
I would find that very offensive and I think that would send very wrong messages to my children. It's much better this way without pictures. Women from all sorts of lives, varying opinions on halacha, can be featured.
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