Do MOs / OOTs read Michpacha mag?

amother

↑ Tan ↓

Sun, Nov 03 2024, 11:31 pm

amother Peach wrote:

I wish there was a huge eyeroll emoji.

Women are not invisible they are just modest DIFFERENCE.. you are choosing To feel slighted.. I'm sorry for you.

The magazine very much features women in many different ways and areas.. we do not a picture to be considered equal. What garbage.

And I don't believe for a second that your daughters will be more content or confident in their lives and feminity because u preach this type of equality to them.

Dont believe it then. My teen age daughter has charedi cousins. She has heard about mishpacha mag. I have never said a word about this subject. But she got very upset when she heard there were no women but yes men in the mag. It had an affect. And we dont even get this mag.

amother

↑ Daisy ↓

Sun, Nov 03 2024, 11:32 pm

amother Tan wrote:

Im not that poster, but also MO and never even heard of mishpacha before this site.
We read Jewish Action and there re many pictures of both men and women.

We also read Jewish Action.

We also get the circle for my younger kids. (While it doesn't have photos of adult women, it has cartoon/pencil drawings, and it doesn't have pictures of adult men either, other than a very occasional one, so it is not davka women, but rather adults who are eliminated. It isn't explicitly sxualizing women by making them taboo).

amother

Glitter

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 1:56 am

amother Peach wrote:

You could choose to roll your eyes. There are many people who feel the same way, though obviously the magazines feel that they’ll lose more customers if they printed women’s pictures than they’ll gain.

I shouldn’t argue it because it goes round and round, but yes I believe my daughters will be more confident in their lives. Not because I don’t buy mishpacha or Ami, but because of our entire lifestyle which is just different. I don’t know how to describe it in a sentence.

Bnei Berak 10

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 3:43 am

amother Daisy wrote:

I don't want them learning to objectify women. That somehow their pictures are both inherently zxual and taboo.

And yes, I find the hashkafa of eliminating and sxualizing women disturbing and I think it is a distortion of the Torah.

To objectify someone they have to be visible and present.
Go to the women's rights movement in *the olden days*. Because women were pictured (preferably in very little clothes) together with everything that could be sold (cars, kitchen items etc) they were against it. That is objectifying and s*xualizing.

amother

↑ Daisy ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 6:17 am

Bnei Berak 10 wrote:

When Muslim women wear a burka, it is saying "any glimpse of a woman is so zxual, so tempting to men, that the only way for men to be able to control themselves is to completely cover up the woman. It makes the women only an object of men's attraction. It stops society seeing her as an individual. She is no longer a person with value. Her worth is reduced to the male gaze.

The same when you remove pictures of women where you continue to have the male equivalent. Headshots, ads, news stories. Even where the picture is inherently tznius.

You end up saying, this picture of a woman, this woman, is so tempting to men that she needs to be hidden, eliminated. It removes her worth and says, her value is only relationship to the men who might look upon her.

It fundamentally sxualizes her, as it reduces her worth to a zxual object.

It tells men (and boys), women are only there for you to look at, and we don't trust you to see women as anything other than objects of desire so we will remove them. It reduces men to animals unable to control themselves.

It is dangerous to both men and women.

It leads to the idea that men are beasts and women are objects and neither are representatives of Hashem worthy of kavod.

amother

↑ Plum ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 7:08 am

amother Daisy wrote:

No. You’re telling your sons that.
Women play a major roll but it’s behind the scenes. It’s the feminist movement that made women want to be out there and noticed and applauded for whatever work they did. And it’s the feminist movement that made people think one gender is better than another. Truthfully, and you will distort what I’m about to say, women are better than men, even from the Torah. From being considered an adult earlier than males to the Bracha of sheasani kirtzono and even in tumah and taharah-a female is considered holier. It’s modern day’s feminist distortion that makes people think the opposite. And I think it’s a very Christian concept that came from not understanding the Torah. Lots gets lost in translation. If you really feel this way, sit with a woman who you consider to be ultra charedi and get to know her and listen to how she describes the male/female dynamic.
Not having pictures doesn’t bother me, I read the Wall Street journal and there’s pencil sketches. I don’t like that in the magazines the first 100 pages are ads. That bothers me way more, especially since some hold ads are assur to look at on Shabbos.

amother

Crocus ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 7:09 am

Elfrida wrote:

When the Queen died, they printed photos of Buckingham Palace, the plane carrying her body, and Prince (King) Charles.

Because when Mishpacha does choose to print photos, they try to do it unobtrusively on the down low, I guess they are trying to keep all of their readership happy. But they've definitely had photos of women in recent years--group photos, historical photos, a few head shots.

I don't know if it's true or not, but I have read that some of the male writer names in some of the frum magazines (don't know which ones) are actually women writing under a pseudonym. I wonder if that is true.

amother

↑ Daisy ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 7:31 am

amother Plum wrote:

Why do you assume that I don't have family and close friends that are ultra chareidi, with whom I haven't talked about this?

And I think you are incorrect.

Miriam didn't stay in the tent. She picked up her Tof and, together with all the women of Bnei Yisrael, sang to Hashem.

Devora led armies and was a judge to men.

It is a modern day re-conceptualizing role of women in yiddishkeit that they are to be kept hidden because of their holiness.

I recognize that this is a fundamental hashkafic difference between Modern Orthodoxy and the chareidi worldview. And, while I can understand the chareidi viewpoint, I also don't subscribe to it. I think it is a re-writing of Torah, even while I respect others to see it differently and hold differently.

And you only need to look at the many, many threads on this site that view men as ruled by the zxual urges to see the harm it does. That to me is the xtian perspective. That women are the cause of original sin and man's downfall.

The Torah sees the partnership k'negdo, as equal. That both men and women embrace the kedusha with which they are created.

(Also, "it’s the feminist movement that made people think one gender is better than another", how can you then go on to say women are better?). Women are halchically not considered "holier", that is a recent re-writing.

amother

↑ Plum ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 7:41 am

amother Daisy wrote:

Miriam went with the women, away from the men.
Devora had gedarim.
At the same time, Sara was put in a box and Yosef hid Leah.
Women aren’t the cause of s-xual urges. That is a very Christian concept. Maybe women just don’t have the need to be flaunted in public? We’re inherently more tznius. I know I don’t want my picture splashed on a billboard. I don’t need to see pictures of women in order to feel vindicated or justified. I feel bad for women wearing burkas. I send my girls to a charedi BY and they send out pictures and projects with their pictures and they even have yearbooks which are pictures!
Even in nature, the female is meant to blend in and the male is meant to be more showy and out there. Like lions and birds and I can go on.
Knegdo actually means opposite. That isn’t equal. No one is equal. Everybody has an important part and each person has their own tafkid and no two people are the same or equal. Even biologically men and women are different. That doesn’t mean one is better and one is worse. You need both to survive and thrive and learn and grow. I can go on but I have things to do. More later if I have time.

amother

↑ Brunette ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 7:47 am

Elfrida wrote:

When the Queen died, they printed photos of Buckingham Palace, the plane carrying her body, and Prince (King) Charles.

If I recall correctly, the owner of Mishpacha had said that in 2016, they actually welcomed the opportunity to publish the female president. The week before the election, they did a test run of showing the two candidates in silluehette.
Alas, Trump won and so there was no need to print Hillary's picture.

I also remember hearing jokes that many people davened for Trump to win, just so the Chareidi papers wouldn't have to deal with this dilemma.

amother

↑ Brunette

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 7:50 am

amother Crocus wrote:

Yes, the Yated has several articles written by a woman who uses different male pseudonyms.