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amother
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 Wed, Oct 30 2024, 11:54 am
| gottago wrote: | Thank you! Where is pruzansky's?
He's pretty yeshivish, but prefers not lakewood.
We considered R Lieff, but while we haven't ruled it out, we're looking for other ideas. |
Just saw "not Lakewood" specification.
Given the concentration of young people here, you may want to consider Lakewood as long as your son is basically yeshivish enough.
Some of these yeshivas have out of towners in 12th grade and beis medresh.
Some are more "greasy" than others.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 11:54 am
Her son is in 12 grade she’s looking for next year which is bais medrash.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 11:58 am
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Rav motel doesn't take 1st year BM at all, only 2nd year
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 12:02 pm
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Same boat and I just heard about another option besides the above rav sholom Zimmerman in Monsey. He’s quietly started to take first years
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keym
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 12:10 pm
| amother DarkRed wrote: | | Same boat and I just heard about another option besides the above rav sholom Zimmerman in Monsey. He’s quietly started to take first years |
R Sholom Zimmerman is a good place for smart boys. I'm just not sure that they take enough of those "smartest, brightest, metzuyanim" to provide chavrusas and enough stimulation for OP's son.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 12:24 pm
| amother Midnight wrote: | | Rav motel doesn't take 1st year BM at all, only 2nd year |
Great point.
Forgot that switching is usually for second year.
Op, even if your son doesnt want Lkwd, maybe have him fraher at one or two of the most advanced mesivtas and then ask them for recommendations.
Or maybe your son will like what he sees.
Im still surprised that your mesivta cant advise you or at least help you research.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 12:42 pm
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Also there's more than just level of learning or yeshivishness. My son is very strong socially, and he wants a personable rosh yeshiva, which are factors in his decision making. Your son's yeshiva should really be involved, and your other sons likely have the most accurate info about what each yeshiva is all about. In my experience a Mesivta/bm move usually happens with minimal input from the parents...
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 1:10 pm
| amother DarkRed wrote: | | Also there's more than just level of learning or yeshivishness. My son is very strong socially, and he wants a personable rosh yeshiva, which are factors in his decision making. Your son's yeshiva should really be involved, and your other sons likely have the most accurate info about what each yeshiva is all about. In my experience a Mesivta/bm move usually happens with minimal input from the parents... |
Exactly!!!
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Aster
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 3:24 pm
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Many of the weinberger boys become doctors ?? News to me . But yes , top yeshiva and not too yeshivish , and they do sometimes take new boys for bm
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 4:37 pm
| amother Holly wrote: | Rav Schustal yeshiva is a high level but not high enough for op son.
Op are you looking to switch now or for next year?
Another option in lakewood out if the box if you don’t want yeshivish is rabbi Weinberger’s. The boys are top good boys but no smoking or drinking, very straight boys who are serious smart learners but many of them eventually will become doctors. It’s more for a boy from an American home but a top yeshiva |
Neither of these are accurate. Rav Shlomo Feivel has many many metzuyanim and the RY gives a very unique complex high level shiur which is not for everyone. Never heard of anyone going from Weinberger to any level of college. It does however present as a more “balabatish” place maybe that’s your interpretation. By American I assume you mean less yeshivish more balabatish.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 5:49 pm
| amother Aster wrote: | | Many of the weinberger boys become doctors ?? News to me . But yes , top yeshiva and not too yeshivish , and they do sometimes take new boys for bm |
I wrote it fast. Many become more the professional type and the parent body is more that type of mindset and not as yeshivish. It’s an option if her son finds lakewood too yeshivish for her this might be a good option it’s not the typical lakewood mesivta.
Weinberger mesivta also has full English which rav Aahron was against when he started bmg and that’s why most mesivta in lakewood don’t offer English.
Weinberger’s opened for a different type of boy.
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Slategray
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 6:19 pm
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Look into Yeshivas Eitz Chaim in Chicago.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 6:25 pm
| amother Stone wrote: | Chas veshalom!! Of course not!! Did you miss my comment about looking for such boy for my own dd? 
I just think it's really hard for Imamothers to get the nuances between all the BM and it might be easier to find the specific yeshiva that op's son is looking for by talking to rebbeim in shul/yeshiva.
Someone like Rabbi straus in Lakewood for example.
What about Rabbi shustal's yeshiva in Lakewood on Somerset ave? Supposedly very high level |
My son went to Rav Shustals yeshiva. For reference, he farhered at Keren Hatorah (for high school) and we were told that he was in the top five (I know I'm an anonymous imamother, and never tell anyone about this IRL, but I can't help myself  ).
But this is the thing. Every single yeshiva is going to have boys with a range of abilities. I know boys who are brilliant, boys who are super brilliant, boys who are smart, boys who are average... and they can all be in the same yeshiva.
For a certain type of boy, he might be better off staying where he is and learning with a yungerman, that's what my son did.
And another thing. The only really high level high school yeshiva I can think of out of Lakewood is Phili, or maybe Tiferes Elimelech, and it might be too late to get in this year. I don't think think you should cross Lakewood off your list simply because so many great boys and great yeshivos are here, and he's more likely to find a fit with so many choices to choose from.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 6:41 pm
| amother Melon wrote: | My son went to Rav Shustals yeshiva. For reference, he farhered at Keren Hatorah (for high school) and we were told that he was in the top five (I know I'm an anonymous imamother, and never tell anyone about this IRL, but I can't help myself ).
But this is the thing. Every single yeshiva is going to have boys with a range of abilities. I know boys who are brilliant, boys who are super brilliant, boys who are smart, boys who are average... and they can all be in the same yeshiva.
For a certain type of boy, he might be better off staying where he is and learning with a yungerman, that's what my son did.
And another thing. The only really high level high school yeshiva I can think of out of Lakewood is Phili, or maybe Tiferes Elimelech, and it might be too late to get in this year. I don't think think you should cross Lakewood off your list simply because so many great boys and great yeshivos are here, and he's more likely to find a fit with so many choices to choose from. |
You are correct Phili is high level mesivta, but it’s not the highest BM, AND it’s very hard for the boys who go there just for BM trying to break into a shiur that’s already been together for 4 years. Much better going somewhere that is just BM and everyone is new.
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 6:45 pm
| amother DarkOrange wrote: | | You are correct Phili is high level mesivta, but it’s not the highest BM, AND it’s very hard for the boys who go there just for BM trying to break into a shiur that’s already been together for 4 years. Much better going somewhere that is just BM and everyone is new. |
Yes there are a lot more choices for BM.
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Denim
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 6:51 pm
| amother Holly wrote: | I wrote it fast. Many become more the professional type and the parent body is more that type of mindset and not as yeshivish. It’s an option if her son finds lakewood too yeshivish for her this might be a good option it’s not the typical lakewood mesivta.
Weinberger mesivta also has full English which rav Aahron was against when he started bmg and that’s why most mesivta in lakewood don’t offer English.
Weinberger’s opened for a different type of boy. |
My sons in Weinbergers now and we and he are more yeshivish. It was actually a big discussion with his rebbi when we were applying because we heard it’s more balebatish. But his rebbi said we should look more into it, because he felt the level was perfect for my son and he said it’s just the name it has. We did look more into it, and I see who’s in his shiur now. Yes, they do have from more balebatish families, but there are plenty from more yeshivish too
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Gray
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 6:53 pm
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I second r Pruzansky yeshiva in Lakewood. Chemdas hatorah
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amother
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Wed, Oct 30 2024, 7:06 pm
| amother Denim wrote: | | My sons in Weinbergers now and we and he are more yeshivish. It was actually a big discussion with his rebbi when we were applying because we heard it’s more balebatish. But his rebbi said we should look more into it, because he felt the level was perfect for my son and he said it’s just the name it has. We did look more into it, and I see who’s in his shiur now. Yes, they do have from more balebatish families, but there are plenty from more yeshivish too |
Same experience. My son’s shiur in BM is quite yeshivish. Are there boys with thick brisker payos- NO. But there are plenty yeshivish.
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