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amother
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Yesterday at 7:43 pm
PinkFridge wrote: | Looking at the English (Chabad.com), I see it says "we should/should not," just as we "should" wish each other a shanah tovah. Obviously there are many mitzvos one gets in giving a brachah to another Jew, but what is this source for these particular conducts to be on the level of mitzvah? D'rabbanan? D'Oraisa?
Here is the Hebrew: וְאֵין לְבַשֵּׁל אוֹתָם בְּחֹמֶץ, כִּי אֵין אוֹכְלִים דְּבָרִים חֲמוּצִים אוֹ מְרִירִים בְּרֹאשׁ הַשָּׁנָה |
There is a phrase, Minhag K'Gon Halacha, we treat "customs" like they're halacha. A family custom vs a community custom are very different. No you dont get a mitzvah for eating sweet foods, but its the way we celebrate yom tov. Now out of all foods putting vinegar on fish is singled out. Maybe it's considered minhag vs mitzvah but it is a halacha. Otherwise the kitzur would have said, some have the custom to...
The problem with translating halacha is that in english the word should mean that would should but doesn't have to... but that's not the case in halacha. It clearly says "Ain" which should be written as "don't"
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Yesterday at 7:45 pm
amother Nasturtium wrote: | There is a phrase, Minhag K'Gon Halacha, we treat "customs" like they're halacha. A family custom vs a community custom are very different. No you dont get a mitzvah for eating sweet foods, but its the way we celebrate yom tov. Now out of all foods putting vinegar on fish is singled out. Maybe it's considered minhag vs mitzvah but it is a halacha. Otherwise the kitzur would have said, some have the custom to...
The problem with translating halacha is that in english the word should mean that would should but doesn't have to... but that's not the case in halacha. It clearly says "Ain" which should be written as "don't" |
Thank you for clarifying. I don't have time to study other mitzvos in the Kitzur.
And I should mention that I wouldn't never start up with the Kitzur, but not everyone turns to it for practical halachah. I'm curious what the Mishnah Brurah says.
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amother
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Yesterday at 7:55 pm
I would ask a shaila because I wouldn't want to disregard a very strong minhag but now it's after the fact & fish is so expensive it would make sense to allow an exception.
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Yesterday at 8:27 pm
PinkFridge wrote: | Thank you for clarifying. I don't have time to study other mitzvos in the Kitzur.
And I should mention that I wouldn't never start up with the Kitzur, but not everyone turns to it for practical halachah. I'm curious what the Mishnah Brurah says. |
The mishna Berura doesn't mention vinegar at all.
It says some have the minhag not to have egozim.
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amother
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Yesterday at 8:34 pm
amother Nasturtium wrote: | You can check Kitzur Shulchan Auruch
Siman 129 Seif Tes
It says it clearly. |
It says the fish used for the siman should not be cooked IN vinegar. As in pickled. Not that we can't have vinegar as any ingredient of any food. And it says the reason is that we should not have sour or bitter foods on Rosh Hashana.
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Yesterday at 8:38 pm
amother Mulberry wrote: | It says the fish used for the siman should not be cooked IN vinegar. As in pickled. Not that we can't have vinegar as any ingredient of any food. And it says the reason is that we should not have sour or bitter foods on Rosh Hashana. |
Also, Ashkenaz don't pasken from the shulchan aruch, they pasken with mishna Berura, which doesn't mention at all (I just looked it up).
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SisterSpooky
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Yesterday at 8:46 pm
amother OP wrote: | I by mistake put vinegar into my fish. I followed a sweet and sour recipe. Would you use it RH? |
As many have already commented, it’ll depend heavily upon your particular minhag. Honestly, I’d just consume it before RH to be safe. 🤷♀️
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Yesterday at 8:48 pm
SisterSpooky wrote: | As many have already commented, it’ll depend heavily upon your particular minhag. Honestly, I’d just consume it before RH to be safe. 🤷♀️ |
If it freezes well, I'd save it l'kavod a later Shabbos. Label it well.
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amother
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Yesterday at 8:56 pm
simcha2 wrote: | Also, Ashkenaz don't pasken from the shulchan aruch, they pasken with mishna Berura, which doesn't mention at all (I just looked it up). |
Not all Ashlenazim hold by the Mishnah Berurah. The Shulchan Aruch has commentary from the Rema that explains any time the halacha differs for Ashkenazim.
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Yesterday at 9:05 pm
amother Mulberry wrote: | Not all Ashlenazim hold by the Mishnah Berurah. The Shulchan Aruch has commentary from the Rema that explains any time the halacha differs for Ashkenazim. |
Okay. So Kitzur. Rema. Mishnah Brurah.
So glad we're all together under one umbrella.
When it comes to minhag, one needs to ask in her community. We are a community but can't answer those kinds of questions.
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Yesterday at 9:06 pm
amother Mulberry wrote: | Not all Ashlenazim hold by the Mishnah Berurah. The Shulchan Aruch has commentary from the Rema that explains any time the halacha differs for Ashkenazim. |
The shulchan aruch also doesn't mention vinegar. Just the kitzur does.
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amother
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Today at 12:02 am
amother Fuchsia wrote: | Husband (should be gebentched) told me this year that triple strong chrein gives him a simchas yt and he doesn’t want those no vinegar anymore. He wants reg good food for everyone. |
Lucky you!
My kids are going to sneak into kitchen and load plate with schug every meal for a month and hubby's going to have panic each time
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