Action against high rental for RH in Jrslm

GLUE ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 2:04 pm

notshanarishona wrote:

Imagine I bought an apartment in this area for an extra 300,000 nis because I knew I could rent it out 5-6 x a year and pay my high mortgage and still live so centrally. All the sudden I am stuck losing out .

That is something people don't seam to get, that the price of real estate can go down.
When the price goes down people go crazy and start saying on how they lost money ect..

The price you brought is what the place was worth at that time. If the price went down it went down. You can kevch all you want how it's unfair but that is how the market works.

↑ Ruchi ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 2:08 pm

lovelylife wrote:

Because as a tenant subletting my apartment, I need to:
a. cover rent
b. cover my tickets so you can have my apartment

The more you pay for your apartment, the more tickets cost (generally - bigger apartments = more children = more tickets).

So a family coming to Israel have to pay their tickets and yours plus double rental fees?
Sounds like one has to be very wealthy to pull this off.

↑ Brit in Israel

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 2:20 pm

Ruchi wrote:

So a family coming to Israel have to pay their tickets and yours plus double rental fees?
Sounds like one has to be very wealthy to pull this off.

Yes, and that is why I dont go to visit my family every year.
I cant afford air fares and accommodation.

Its the way life works, anything that isn't a need but a want may cost you more than you can afford.

Im really not anti the Chassidim going, but not to pay market value is a different story

↑ shabbatiscoming ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 2:38 pm

Ruchi wrote:

So a family coming to Israel have to pay their tickets and yours plus double rental fees?
Sounds like one has to be very wealthy to pull this off.

Nobody HAS TO stay in a specific spot in israel. You want a specific location, a prime lication? Your goinv to pay a prime fee. Its very fair. Other wiise, find something cheaper in hepuetzville.

Hashem_Yaazor ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 2:49 pm

Ruchi wrote:

So a family coming to Israel have to pay their tickets and yours plus double rental fees?
Sounds like one has to be very wealthy to pull this off.

If that family doesn't move out and make their apartment available, will you complain too?
They have to be paid to be able to leave their apartment, which means travel expenses in the height of higher tickets, labor, covering usage (things that get broken/lost, electricity and water), when they pack up to let you use their apartment for Yom Tov they're very likely going to forget something and need to pay for that bottle of medication or pair of Shabbos shoes that had they stayed at home they would have had already...

It's a huge tircha and an invasion of privacy. They should be compensated over and above their regular rental rate.

lostmyoldSN ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 2:57 pm

GLUE wrote:

Yes but in most of Israel, this really hasn't been the case. So people have no experience with it! It's always buy fast because the prices will just go up and that has been what's happened.

↑ lostmyoldSN ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 2:58 pm

Ruchi wrote:

So a family coming to Israel have to pay their tickets and yours plus double rental fees?
Sounds like one has to be very wealthy to pull this off.

Yup. More or less.

Belz is huge. Is there any way to accomodate more men within the campus? Can they pitch tents? If this is just men going to their Rebbe.

↑ notshanarishona

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 4:40 pm

[quote="Ruchi"]Why can't it be 1 1/2 plus cleaning fees?
There should be an extra damages deposit held and only returned if all is good.[/quote
Because cost of an apartment is not only rent. It’s utilities, which are very hard to calculate for a weekly rental, it’s vaad bayit, it’s arnona , the person renting also needs to clean their apartment, put away all their stuff securely it’s a lot of work. No one else can decide what makes it worth the tircha

↑ GLUE ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 5:20 pm

At the end of the day the people with the apartments have to decide if it's worth renting them out.
People may be on vacation, but if there are no one renting your apartment for the price you feel is worth renting out for then you either have to go down or not rent it out.

The Rebba could say all He want's on how don't rent out places more then xyz, but if nobody wants to rent out their apartment for less then abc, you have a situation.

The only people who should be getting so upset about it are the people who are now not going to be renting out there places because they can't find renters for the price they think it's worth.

You might have paid more for your place because you can get $$$$$ for it by Yom Tov. But, nothing is guaranteed. If the whole Belz kehila would go to a place out side Jerusalem just for Rosh Hashona, you would also not be able to rent out for that hi price that people would pay to be near Belz.

They are not telling people that they must rent out for xyz, they are telling people they should only pay xyz for a place. It is up to the landlords to decide if it's worth it for them to rent out there place for that price or try to get non Belz people for that price.

↑ Hashem_Yaazor ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 5:29 pm

I am going to say something that might raise some eyebrows:

Giving up your apartment to strangers is a chesed, even if you're making money off of it.
These people should be appreciated.

↑ causemommysaid ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 5:42 pm

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

I am going to say something that might raise some eyebrows:

Giving up your apartment to strangers is a chesed, even if you're making money off of it.
These people should be appreciated.

I'm really curious why you think that.

How is it a chessed? It's a way to make money and there is effort involved.

A chessed is doing it for free or at a discounted rate or even at a affordablebut fair price.

Renting at a premium is a business not a chessed.

↑ Hashem_Yaazor

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 5:59 pm

It might not be 100% pure chesed but if your intention is to help another yid even though it's a huge tircha that you want some compensation for, there's an element of chesed.

I don't know if everyone feels the same way, but I personally have given up my apartment for YT and it's really a huge burden to me. When I'm packing out, my house is usually flying and a mess. You can't do that if you're letting others stay in. There are things you need to lock up and instructions to leave...

↑ ora_43 ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 8:22 pm

shabbatiscoming wrote:

Nobody HAS TO stay in a specific spot in israel. You want a specific location, a prime lication? Your goinv to pay a prime fee. Its very fair. Other wiise, find something cheaper in hepuetzville.

But in this case, the only thing making this a 'prime location' is the location of the rebbe. It's not like they're demanding cheap housing in Eilat in August. They created the demand, now they're reducing it.

↑ ora_43 ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 8:28 pm

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

It's a huge tircha and an invasion of privacy. They should be compensated over and above their regular rental rate.

This is over and above the usual rental rate. Normal rents for an airbnb in those neighborhoods would be about 50%-60% of the maximum rates suggested.

Is a Rosh Hashanah rental worth more than twice normal rates? I guess we'll find out! If enough other people want to be in that neighborhood for those prices, the collective action won't change anything.

↑ causemommysaid

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 8:38 pm

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

If ur renting at a massive premium then the intention is not to help. It's to make money.

There's nothing wrong with that. It's just not classified as a chessed

↑ ora_43 ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 8:52 pm

lovelylife wrote:

I don't think you're the target audience, then. Even super high airbnb rates aren't "multiple flights abroad" expensive.

If people would need to fly their whole overseas in order to leave for chag, they normally just don't rent out at all. (I can't imagine who would pay that rent, it would be cheaper to stay in almost any hotel.) The people renting out their apartments are Israelis who can go to their parents or siblings for the chag. Or maybe people who were planning to fly abroad either way, and use the rent to help defray the cost of tickets not pay for them completely.

B'Syata D'Shmya ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 9:30 pm

shabbatiscoming wrote:

Im sorry but why is it ok for someone else to decide how much an aartment owner can charge for their apartment to be rented?
Im sorry but if you want to be in a specific location at a specific time, its very fare to have to pay fir the privelege. And that IS what is is.

I agree, doesnt the Gemara specifically state that Rabbanim cant limit real estate prices?
I empathize with those wanting rentals close to the Rebbe, but its not a "need".

ETA: So my husband explained that they are not limiting real estate prices, but bed rentals, which is why they specify how many beds.

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↑ B'Syata D'Shmya ↓

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 9:37 pm

ora_43 wrote:

Nope, the Rebbe didnt create the need, the chassidim who decide its a chiyuv to be near their Rebbe, did.

All year they daven to Hashem from their own shule, isnt it a busha to their shule to suddenly decide it isnt good enough for RH davening?

Hashem doesnt need the Chassid to daven close to his Rebbe, if it means going into debt to do so (this can cause SB problems, not providing your family their physical needs, Yetzer Hara etc etc).

I think its wrong to think that Hashem will answer your tefillos better if you are in a certain place. Sure, the idea of being in close proximity to your Rebbe can make you daven with greater kavana, but not if your mind is full of "how am I going to pay for this".

Your regular shul is the best place for davening to Hashem.

↑ lostmyoldSN

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 11:36 pm

ora_43 wrote:

I have relatives in that area and some years they rent and go abroad. Im not sure it covers the tickets AND all their rent but it definitely makes it possible for them to go abroad.

But they arent going abroad to make money. They are making money to go abroad...

↑ abrainbow

Thu, Sep 12 2024, 11:44 pm

Hashem_Yaazor wrote:

I am going to say something that might raise some eyebrows:

Giving up your apartment to strangers is a chesed, even if you're making money off of it.
These people should be appreciated.

100%. I choose many Yomim Tovim to just lock up my apartment and not rent it out. Much easier.

I have friends who also choose to lock up despite being offered thousands of dollars. Especially if someone is pregnant or just having a hard time keeping everything together it's a huge amount of work.