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 Sat, Sep 07 2024, 11:15 pm
| iyar wrote: | Regardless of who’s at fault, a major aveira happened in this week’s serial. We’re all big girls and know it’s just a figment of someone’s imagination, but hamalbin pnei chaveiro is a big deal irl. She had it coming that’s for sure, but out in the real world we have to keep our mouths shut in public even (or especially?) when the other person deserves it.
I have a hard time figuring out the magazines. Some things I wouldn’t mind, like a picture of a rebbetzin, won’t make it past the editorial board. Something else that raises both my eyebrows, like a description of someone embarrassing a relative in front of a whole lot of other relatives, gets past the censors- in Elul no less.
I guess that’s why I’m not on the editorial board. |
Good point
It’s fiction though
If it was real life, it would not be a healthy thing for rivi to accept this constant verbal harassment while supporting her sil. Either she would stop supporting, or her husband would speak with his sister or her bil would speak with his wife. In real life the situation should not have been allowed to reach this point- she should have made boundaries and not let herself get treated that way.
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Sat, Sep 07 2024, 11:20 pm
| amother Hunter wrote: | The halbanas pnei chaveiro went both ways. But sounds like Suri is a chronic perpetrator of this type of avaira, and Rivi finally lashed back. She was in a terribly vulnerable state and she was pushed over the edge.
As an aside, in the same magazine, there was a picture (digitalized) of the face of Kamala Harris. Just saying. |
I’ll admit the whole scene was weird. Who makes a relative join a weekend like that right after she sat shiva for her father? I’m not talking about halacha or minhagim, just basic human sensitivity. Still, if we’re talking about right and wrong (and this is the time of year when most of us think about that) it’s exactly this type of emotionally charged situation when we’re supposed to do our best not to say anything. If I was writing for a (very) frum publication, I wouldn’t have the heroine do that.
I saw Kamala’s digitalized face too. I thought it was a kind of trial balloon. I think they’re trying to figure out what to do if chas veshalom they have to deal with a female president.
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Sat, Sep 07 2024, 11:24 pm
| amother NeonPink wrote: | Good point
It’s fiction though
If it was real life, it would not be a healthy thing for rivi to accept this constant verbal harassment while supporting her sil. Either she would stop supporting, or her husband would speak with his sister or her bil would speak with his wife. In real life the situation should not have been allowed to reach this point- she should have made boundaries and not let herself get treated that way. |
I agree.
And being that these fictional characters made it all the way to imamother, I think we should send them all for therapy.
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Sat, Sep 07 2024, 11:25 pm
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It's a story. It's supposed to reflect the way real people respond to emotions in real life. Nobody said she was right to behave that way. Real people make mistakes, and so do people in stories.
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 12:35 am
| iyar wrote: | Regardless of who’s at fault, a major aveira happened in this week’s serial. We’re all big girls and know it’s just a figment of someone’s imagination, but hamalbin pnei chaveiro is a big deal irl. She had it coming that’s for sure, but out in the real world we have to keep our mouths shut in public even (or especially?) when the other person deserves it.
I have a hard time figuring out the magazines. Some things I wouldn’t mind, like a picture of a rebbetzin, won’t make it past the editorial board. Something else that raises both my eyebrows, like a description of someone embarrassing a relative in front of a whole lot of other relatives, gets past the censors- in Elul no less.
I guess that’s why I’m not on the editorial board. |
Weird that you think fictional characters in the middle of a plot can not do aveiros in Frum magazines!
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 12:41 am
| doodlesmom wrote: | | Weird that you think fictional characters in the middle of a plot can not do aveiros in Frum magazines! |
I think if we look back through just about every serial that's ever run in a frum magazine, there are characters who "do aveiros" ie make mistakes.
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amother
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 1:12 am
| iyar wrote: | I agree.
And being that these fictional characters made it all the way to imamother, I think we should send them all for therapy. |
And go on bc. Pronto.
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 10:38 am
| doodlesmom wrote: | | Weird that you think fictional characters in the middle of a plot can not do aveiros in Frum magazines! |
This fear of characters making mistakes in frum fiction is part of what makes it so boring so much of the time! I'm perfectly fine with them being flawed and doing the wrong thing, as long as the story will eventually acknowledge it or have the character make amends. If the character gets to play the perfect victim for the rest of the story and we're supposed to assume that she's perfect and she was right, then I have an issue with it.
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 11:08 am
| amother Blueberry wrote: | | This fear of characters making mistakes in frum fiction is part of what makes it so boring so much of the time! I'm perfectly fine with them being flawed and doing the wrong thing, as long as the story will eventually acknowledge it or have the character make amends. If the character gets to play the perfect victim for the rest of the story and we're supposed to assume that she's perfect and she was right, then I have an issue with it. |
Absolutely. But it gets more complicated in a serial.
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amother
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 12:50 pm
I'm so unclear on the real father v assumed father! The body in the grave is their real father, but the grandmother's son? Or the man they called Abba?
Can someone help me? Which Dad is the real father, and which son is the grandmother's son, the body in the grave or 'Abba'?
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 12:56 pm
| amother Hotpink wrote: | I'm so unclear on the real father v assumed father! The body in the grave is their real father, but the grandmother's son? Or the man they called Abba?
Can someone help me? Which Dad is the real father, and which son is the grandmother's son, the body in the grave or 'Abba'? |
This is how I understand it.
A man named Avigdor Cohen was buried in the plot reserved for Avigdor Cohen, in the Cohen section. But it was unmarked. This Avigdor Cohen is genetically related to the woman who is buried near him, ie, he is her son.
Another man, who also went by the name Avigdor Cohen, is the man who is the biological father to Rivi and Gabe , ie, "Abba". He claimed to be the Avigdor cohen that owned that plot. When he died, they went to bury him there, but found it already occupied by the first Avigdor Cohen.
It seems that Abba was impersonating the first Avigdor Cohen. We don't know his real name or why he did what he did, nor how it came to be that the first Avigdor Cohen was buried without a marker.
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 1:18 pm
| amother Hunter wrote: | This is how I understand it.
A man named Avigdor Cohen was buried in the plot reserved for Avigdor Cohen, in the Cohen section. But it was unmarked. This Avigdor Cohen is genetically related to the woman who is buried near him, ie, he is her son.
Another man, who also went by the name Avigdor Cohen, is the man who is the biological father to Rivi and Gabe , ie, "Abba". He claimed to be the Avigdor cohen that owned that plot. When he died, they went to bury him there, but found it already occupied by the first Avigdor Cohen.
It seems that Abba was impersonating the first Avigdor Cohen. We don't know his real name or why he did what he did, nor how it came to be that the first Avigdor Cohen was buried without a marker. |
Thank you!
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 10:50 pm
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I don’t know why I can’t access the story online! Can someone tell me why gabe left Penina and what she said?
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 11:08 pm
| amother Hunter wrote: | This is how I understand it.
A man named Avigdor Cohen was buried in the plot reserved for Avigdor Cohen, in the Cohen section. But it was unmarked. This Avigdor Cohen is genetically related to the woman who is buried near him, ie, he is her son.
Another man, who also went by the name Avigdor Cohen, is the man who is the biological father to Rivi and Gabe , ie, "Abba". He claimed to be the Avigdor cohen that owned that plot. When he died, they went to bury him there, but found it already occupied by the first Avigdor Cohen.
It seems that Abba was impersonating the first Avigdor Cohen. We don't know his real name or why he did what he did, nor how it came to be that the first Avigdor Cohen was buried without a marker. |
But did it say the body in the grave went by the name Avigdor? Meaning, are we to assume that the man they called Abba was actually impersonating someone else? I was thinking Abba must have been adopted by Rivi's grandparents. Still a mystery as to why Gabe and Rivi didn't know about their uncle, whether blood related or not.
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Sun, Sep 08 2024, 11:27 pm
| amother Blush wrote: | | But did it say the body in the grave went by the name Avigdor? Meaning, are we to assume that the man they called Abba was actually impersonating someone else? I was thinking Abba must have been adopted by Rivi's grandparents. Still a mystery as to why Gabe and Rivi didn't know about their uncle, whether blood related or not. |
It did say that the police had concluded that the body in the grave was Avigdor Cohen. Of course that's conjecture on their part.
I think all signs point to an assumed identity that came about after Avigdor Cohen died or was killed, presumably some sort of cover-up to hide his death from the world.
But there are still a lot of directions this story could go.
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Wed, Sep 11 2024, 10:46 am
| PinkFridge wrote: | | This is really getting edgy. I don't have a problem with it, just saying. |
Did this week's chapter retcon the visit into a phone call?
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Wed, Sep 11 2024, 11:00 am
| amother Blush wrote: | | But did it say the body in the grave went by the name Avigdor? Meaning, are we to assume that the man they called Abba was actually impersonating someone else? I was thinking Abba must have been adopted by Rivi's grandparents. Still a mystery as to why Gabe and Rivi didn't know about their uncle, whether blood related or not. | She said he wasn't adopted because she had pictures of the grandparents holding him as a baby.
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Wed, Sep 11 2024, 11:13 am
| amother Lightpink wrote: | | She said he wasn't adopted because she had pictures of the grandparents holding him as a baby. |
Abba as a baby? How do we know that Abba was the baby in the pictures? Or is it possible those were the biological parents and not the real Avigdor's parents?
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Wed, Sep 11 2024, 2:43 pm
| PinkFridge wrote: | | Abba as a baby? How do we know that Abba was the baby in the pictures? Or is it possible those were the biological parents and not the real Avigdor's parents? |
Maybe it wasn't Abba as a baby... Rivi did say that Abba never liked her looking at those pictures.
Adn not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but if Abba is not Avigdor Cohen, then who says he's a Kohein?!
Which means penina and gabe can get married 
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Wed, Sep 11 2024, 2:54 pm
| amother Blueberry wrote: | | This fear of characters making mistakes in frum fiction is part of what makes it so boring so much of the time! I'm perfectly fine with them being flawed and doing the wrong thing, as long as the story will eventually acknowledge it or have the character make amends. If the character gets to play the perfect victim for the rest of the story and we're supposed to assume that she's perfect and she was right, then I have an issue with it. |
say it louder for the people in the back.
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