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BasKol
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 Fri, Aug 30 2024, 1:22 pm
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I think it is well accepted that Hashem punishes, though I haven't researched this in depth. However, the challenge you will find is that we don't know Hashem's ways, so what may appear as a punishment could actually be a reward and vice versa.
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BatyaEsther
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Fri, Aug 30 2024, 1:25 pm
You have tzadik v”ra lo and rasha V’tov lo.
Concurrently, if we say that Hashem rewards us in this world for mitzvahs how can you think the convers isn’t true.
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Fri, Aug 30 2024, 1:34 pm
| taketwo wrote: | | So in response to all of you, if I forget to make a bracha achrona a few times and then I get sick that might be because Hashem is punishing me for not making the bracha achrona? |
We can't make these correlations. Yes, there is the still relevant concept of one who undergoes tzaros, "mefashfesh b'ma'asav." Consult a rav you respect.
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Fri, Aug 30 2024, 1:35 pm
| taketwo wrote: | | What response could I give a child who says to another child "that happened to you because Hashems punishing you for doing xyv" ? |
"We are not Hashem's accountants."
And then you might want a discussion about ahavas Yisroel, being dan even your sibing lkz.
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Fri, Aug 30 2024, 1:35 pm
| write4right wrote: | Tell them that the Gemarah explicitly says you can't say that because it's onaas devarim.
Explained that even though Hashem does punish we don't understand how and why and when. He's smarter than us and it's not something we're able to see in other people and usually even in ourselves. |
Yes!
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Fri, Aug 30 2024, 1:37 pm
| BasKol wrote: | | I think it is well accepted that Hashem punishes, though I haven't researched this in depth. However, the challenge you will find is that we don't know Hashem's ways, so what may appear as a punishment could actually be a reward and vice versa. |
Of course. The second paragraph of Shema. Ikrei emunah according to IIRC Rav Saadya Gaon. We have to lean in to the concept, but properly.
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nightingale1
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Fri, Aug 30 2024, 1:48 pm
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In some cases it can be not a punishment but just a natural consequence of your actions. Doing an aveira actually in reality changes your spiritual existence, and it could be that now you are incapable of absorbing a certain good Hashem wanted to give you. This is brought up by ben niddah.
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tichellady
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Fri, Aug 30 2024, 2:22 pm
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We truly don’t know how Hashem works.
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