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tichellady
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We hold it’s fine but there’s a big range of opinions
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:40 pm
| tichellady wrote: | | We hold it’s fine but there’s a big range of opinions |
The range is not that big.
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:44 pm
The Halacha is very clear on this. One may not swim where this is mixed swimming. See Shulchan Aruch Even Ha'aezer 21, Rav Moshe Feinstein zt"l (Igrot Moshe Even Ha'ezer vol.1:56, ), Rav Shmuel Wosner zt"l (Shevet HaLevi ol. 3 : 185, Rav Ovaddiah Yoseph zt"l ( Yechaveh Da'at Vol. 1: 38, Vol. 5 ;63) and many others.
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amother
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:46 pm
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Btw I went in a swim cover up with all girls in a pool. The skirt part did not stay down. It was around my waist the whole time. If you were in the pool with me you’d see everything below my waist. So even from a tznius stand point a cover up doesn’t cover properly.
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:46 pm
| amother Khaki wrote: | Mixed swimming is assur.
Ask your Rav for yourself. |
It is not assur for little children to go mixed swimming.
Ask your Rav yourself.
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:47 pm
| amother OP wrote: | | It’s assur for a girl over bas mitzva if there is another random man in the opposite side of the pool? Obviously the girl would be in a tznius swim dress. |
You need to ask your own rav, because there are differing opinions.
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:47 pm
| Ema of 5 wrote: | It is not assur for little children to go mixed swimming.
Ask your Rav yourself. |
She’s asking about a girl above bas mitzva.
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amother
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:48 pm
| Ema of 5 wrote: | It is not assur for little children to go mixed swimming.
Ask your Rav yourself. |
OP asked about herself as well as her daughter over bas mitzva.
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amother
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:48 pm
| Genius wrote: | The Halacha is very clear on this. One may not swim where this is mixed swimming. See Shulchan Aruch Even Ha'aezer 21, Rav Moshe Feinstein zt"l (Igrot Moshe Even Ha'ezer vol.1:56, ), Rav Shmuel Wosner zt"l (Shevet HaLevi ol. 3 : 185, Rav Ovaddiah Yoseph zt"l ( Yechaveh Da'at Vol. 1: 38, Vol. 5 ;63) and many others.
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This includes the ocean?
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:49 pm
| amother OP wrote: | | Can someone clarify this? Thanks |
Yes- ask your own rav!
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:49 pm
I would ask about the ocean. This is an answer for mixed swimming in a pool.
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amother
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:50 pm
| Genius wrote: | | I would ask about the ocean. This is an answer for mixed swimming in a pool. |
Ty.
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amother
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:50 pm
| amother OP wrote: | | It’s assur for a girl over bas mitzva if there is another random man in the opposite side of the pool? Obviously the girl would be in a tznius swim dress. |
Please ask a shayla. Swimmdresses don’t stay down and get super clingy. People will get different answers and I’m not you and you’re not me.
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:51 pm
| Genius wrote: | | She’s asking about a girl above bas mitzva. |
She’s asking a lot of different things which is why she needs to speak to her own rav and not rely on answers she may get here.
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amother
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:53 pm
| Ema of 5 wrote: | | She’s asking a lot of different things which is why she needs to speak to her own rav and not rely on answers she may get here. |
Almost all sources agree on a mixed pool not being ok. Are there any halahcic sources stating otherwise?
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:53 pm
| Ema of 5 wrote: | | She’s asking a lot of different things which is why she needs to speak to her own rav and not rely on answers she may get here. |
I agree, but worst case in this scenario, her daughter doesn’t swim with zeides in a pool. Not that risky.
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 1:56 pm
| amother Candycane wrote: | | Almost all sources agree on a mixed pool not being ok. Are there any halahcic sources stating otherwise? |
OP needs to ask her own rav for guidance. That’s the bottom line.
I don’t know if there are sources that say it’s ok, I never claimed there were.
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amother
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 2:00 pm
| Ema of 5 wrote: | OP needs to ask her own rav for guidance. That’s the bottom line.
I don’t know if there are sources that say it’s ok, I never claimed there were. |
Or one can look up the sources. If all say it’s assur she’s unlikely to get another answer from a rav.
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 2:02 pm
| tichellady wrote: | | We hold it’s fine but there’s a big range of opinions |
So do we.
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amother
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Sun, Jun 23 2024, 2:06 pm
| tichellady wrote: | | We hold it’s fine but there’s a big range of opinions |
What’s the source? Can you post it?
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