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gold21
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 Fri, May 27 2022, 9:27 am
To respond to your points,
1. I don't know where he obtained the handgun from, but official reports state that he had two rifles (obtained legally) and one handgun (obtained illegally) on his person. Could he have theoretically carried out this attack with a handgun? Yes. I rest my case.
2. The border patrol agent did what he did because he had skin in the game. His wife and child were in the building. The cops loitered outside "planning" their next move. Were their babies in the building? Presumably not. It takes love and determination to do what this guy did with a random barber's handgun.
3. Cool, agreed.
4. Every homeowner or person living independently deserves access to a defensive weapon. Some homeowners are under age 25. I agree that access to an AR-15 needs to be much more restricted. As for a handgun, a minimum age of 21 seems reasonable to me. A minimum age of 18 to purchase an AR-15 is crazy for sure. You can't buy alcohol at 18 but you can buy a semiautomatic weapon? C'mon man, that's just STUPID. So yes, I agree. We need to fix this.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 9:50 am
| gold21 wrote: | Where in my post did I suggest that you are a Democrat? Was my post anything other than factual? Why are you telling me to "chill"? My post was pretty much low key facts without any personal attacks. In fact, it was largely a generic post. It's not so nice to tell someone to "chill" for no reason, but okay.....
"Whoa"? What do you mean by that? Was my list of facts so astonishing? |
The way you ended your post came on strongly to me, that I shouldn't believe what Dems say. I'm not listening to any party line. I have my opinion based on common sense.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 9:57 am
| pause wrote: | | The way you ended your post came on strongly to me, that I shouldn't believe what Dems say. I'm not listening to any party line. I have my opinion based on common sense. |
OK. I was using my response to your post as a general platform to respond to a bunch of ideas all at once. I honestly forgot who I was responding to at some point while I was writing. It was just an opportunity to put all my ideas together cohesively. I'm sorry if I was unclear. Common sense is the best way to arrive at any conclusion, in my opinion.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 9:59 am
| gold21 wrote: | To respond to your points,
1. I don't know where he obtained the handgun from, but official reports state that he had two rifles (obtained legally) and one handgun (obtained illegally) on his person. Could he have theoretically carried out this attack with a handgun? Yes. I rest my case.
2. The border patrol agent did what he did because he had skin in the game. His wife and child were in the building. The cops loitered outside "planning" their next move. Were their babies in the building? Presumably not. It takes love and determination to do what this guy did with a random barber's handgun.
3. Cool, agreed.
4. Every homeowner or person living independently deserves access to a defensive weapon. Some homeowners are under age 25. I agree that access to an AR-15 needs to be much more restricted. As for a handgun, a minimum age of 21 seems reasonable to me. A minimum age of 18 to purchase an AR-15 is crazy for sure. You can't buy alcohol at 18 but you can buy a semiautomatic weapon? C'mon man, that's just STUPID. So yes, I agree. We need to fix this. |
1. Theoretically yes. But practically, a rifle causes way more damage in a quicker time frame than a handgun. So it's kind of silly to say he could have. Fact is, he used his legally obtained rifle.
2. This point is completely irrelevant to the issue of gun control. That's the point I was trying to make. Cops being incompetent, and one brave father who didn't need/use his gun is no proof for a barber to own a handgun.
4. So minimum age of 21 because some people are homeowners at younger than 25? Age of home ownership keeps going up in the US. According to a quick google, 0.8% of homeowners are under 25 in the US and they make up 14.3% of their age group. I don't see these numbers to be compelling enough. Regardless, 18 is definitely stupid.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 10:34 am
| pause wrote: | 1. Theoretically yes. But practically, a rifle causes way more damage in a quicker time frame than a handgun. So it's kind of silly to say he could have. Fact is, he used his legally obtained rifle.
2. This point is completely irrelevant to the issue of gun control. That's the point I was trying to make. Cops being incompetent, and one brave father who didn't need/use his gun is no proof for a barber to own a handgun.
4. So minimum age of 21 because some people are homeowners at younger than 25? Age of home ownership keeps going up in the US. According to a quick google, 0.8% of homeowners are under 25 in the US and they make up 14.3% of their age group. I don't see these numbers to be compelling enough. Regardless, 18 is definitely stupid. |
I don't know how much damage a handgun could have caused, but probably quite a bit. With that said, the AR-15 model is almost always the gun of choice used in school shootings, and this is something that needs to be looked into ASAP. Long guns (AKA rifles) such as the popular AR-15 model are exempt from an existing federal law that restricts purchase of smaller guns like handguns to age 21 and above. So this is at the FEDERAL level. I mean, hello? The AR-15 is the most popular choice for school shooters. Um? Does someone want to look into this? However, the point still stands that the shooter obtained a gun illegally and it could have definitely caused some real damage. How did he obtain it illegally? These are questions that need to be answered.
It is very sad that the cops were so incompetent and obviously untrained. This total mess of a response did not increase anyone's trust in cops being given exclusive rights to secure the safety of it's unarmed citizenry. It only reinforces the idea that citizens need to be armed to save themselves.
18 is stupidly young, 25 seems quite late because some people are living independently before then. One possible idea is that perhaps at 21 one could access a weapon with some difficulty if he is willing to jump through certain hoops (like a "Junior License" that's harder to obtain, but still possible) and at 25 there is less effort required to access the weapon because it's not a "Junior License". Just a random idea. Some people are living independently before age 25. I mean, I was married at 19.....
By the way, Florida, everyone's favorite state, restricts access to guns to age 21 and above. We love DeSantis! This is because, statistically, most school shooters are under age 21. Every state should follow DeSantis's lead.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 11:02 am
| Raisin wrote: | There is a large investment in police, education and many other areas to reduce gang violence, which is obviously a horrible thing. But its not an easy fix.
I think what upsets people about this incident is that there is a fairly easy fix which many other countries have done and is proven to be effective, better gun control. |
What do you mean its not an "easy fix"? Doesnt gun control fix all issues with guns? How are these gang members able to have guns when the cities they typically live in have strict gun control laws?
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Fri, May 27 2022, 11:54 am
| exaustedmom wrote: | | Cute! Many parent did jump the fence and smashed classroom windows to save their kids. It was an off duty CBP officer who was getting a haircut, grabbed the barbers gun and ran in the save his wife and 3 kids. | Are you aware that parents wanted to rescue their kids well before that but apparently cops handcuffed and pepper sprayed them? I don’t see anything cute about it. The cops were actively preventing parents from stepping in.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 11:56 am
| vintagebknyc wrote: | That is correct. What went wrong in Texas was not just what went wrong in this school.
Did you know--and this is not fake news, I checked it--that you can own as MANY guns as you want, in Texas, but you're not legally allowed to own more than six d*ldos? That's what's wrong in Texas. | Now that you mention it, the list of what went wrong in Texas is really never ending.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 11:56 am
| number wrote: | | Are you aware that parents wanted to rescue their kids well before that but apparently cops handcuffed and pepper sprayed them? I don’t see anything cute about it. The cops were actively preventing parents from stepping in. |
The cute comment was in response to a previous poster who claimed that the parents should've shot the cops.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 11:57 am
| exaustedmom wrote: | | The cute comment was in response to a previous poster who claimed that the parents should've shot the cops. | That was me. They should have shot the cops, because they were arresting parents who needed to rescue their kids.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 12:08 pm
| pause wrote: | | ...Why does anyone ever need an AR-15? |
I am no firearms expert, but I think these are commonly used as hunting rifles.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 12:10 pm
| DrMom wrote: | | I am no firearms expert, but I think these are commonly used as hunting rifles. |
Yup, and they are the most popular gun in the U.S.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 12:10 pm
| number wrote: | | That was me. They should have shot the cops, because they were arresting parents who needed to rescue their kids. |
Totally agree
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Fri, May 27 2022, 12:42 pm
| DrMom wrote: | | I am no firearms expert, but I think these are commonly used as hunting rifles. |
Interesting. So it seems like in this country it's more important to support people's right to go hunting than people's right to stay alive.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 12:43 pm
| DrMom wrote: | | I am no firearms expert, but I think these are commonly used as hunting rifles. |
That seems unlikely, as they rip apart flesh and do serious damage.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 12:50 pm
| vintagebknyc wrote: | | That seems unlikely, as they rip apart flesh and do serious damage. |
It is likely, because they are commonly used for hunting. Google "AR-15".
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Fri, May 27 2022, 1:07 pm
| pause wrote: | | Interesting. So it seems like in this country it's more important to support people's right to go hunting than people's right to stay alive. |
Also, you can’t fish in any state without a license.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 1:13 pm
| number wrote: | | Are you aware that parents wanted to rescue their kids well before that but apparently cops handcuffed and pepper sprayed them? I don’t see anything cute about it. The cops were actively preventing parents from stepping in. |
That's a good thing.
The last thing you need is a load of untrained people storming the building, causing chaos, blocking entrances and exits for the SWAT team, running around screaming. Do you really think hysterical parents would have the wherewithal to stop a gunman armed with three different semi-automatics because they really care?
Life isn't a movie. In the movies, lots of unarmed people can storm a gunman and take him down. In real life, that just gives them more targets.
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Fri, May 27 2022, 1:16 pm
| pause wrote: | | Interesting. So it seems like in this country it's more important to support people's right to go hunting than people's right to stay alive. |
In what way am I infringing on your right to stay alive when I buy a gun, whether it's for sport or protection?
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Fri, May 27 2022, 1:18 pm
| exaustedmom wrote: | Cute! Many parent did jump the fence and smashed classroom windows to save their kids. It was an off duty CBP officer who was getting a haircut, grabbed the barbers gun and ran in the save his wife and 3 kids.
Just yesterday, I believe in West Virginia, someone started shooting at people at a Birthday party. It was a woman, who not only didn't join the fleeing crowd, but engaged the gunman, shooting him, saving countless lives. |
The off-duty CBP officer ran into a classroom and took out his family. But the armed gunman had barricaded himself in an entirely different classroom, and every cop that attempted to get into that classroom was initially shot, one seriously. It's not like the CBP cop rescued his kids from that fourth grade classroom. The media slant is about obviously trying to portray like this guy could have rescued all 19 kids but chose instead to only rescue his family.
Unfortunately, as soon as the gunman entered, he cloistered himself in a classroom and no parent could have saved their children from that one. The rest of the parents just wanted to get their kids from within the school, but that would have been a terrible idea.
As a parent, of course you will do anything for your own child. But you are not trained. You have no weapon, and you cannot go barging into situations that you don't understand and are not trained for. And by running in, often you make things worse for the people that ARE trained, because now they have to rescue YOU.
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