Newly dIagnosed with colitis/arthritis? Autoimmune postvax?

Supermom#1

Sun, Sep 26 2021, 8:17 pm

amother [ Sage ] wrote:

No, natural infection and artificial immune stimulation don’t have the same effect on the immune system. Vaccines are designed to cause enhanced sustained immune activation. Unlike natural disease. Again, infections have been around since the dawn of time, but it’s only recently that rates of autoimmune diseases have started to skyrocket.

well said, and 100% true.

amother

↑ DarkGray ↓

Sun, Sep 26 2021, 8:26 pm

amother [ Sage ] wrote:

Then what do you say to the other posters talking about people developing autoimmune conditions after COVID?

amother

Lily

Sun, Sep 26 2021, 8:28 pm

amother [ Holly ] wrote:

I got my second dose of Pfeizer in late may. I am now experiencing arthritis type symptoms, and sciatica type symptoms. I was feeling arthritis symptoms in my knee before, but now the symptoms are all through my leg and lower back. I am 40, too young for this. I never thought thought of the covid vaccine, but it may have a connection.

I'm 40 as well and have also been having sciatica and back/leg issues, but they began in the winter before I was vaccinated. Correlation does not equal causation.

amother

↑ Sage ↓

Sun, Sep 26 2021, 8:29 pm

amother [ DarkGray ] wrote:

Then what do you say to the other posters talking about people developing autoimmune conditions after COVID?

Yes, infections have been triggering autoimmunity since the dawn of time too. (As an aside, The media is making it seem like long covid, covid induced autoimmunity, and all the other post infectious stuff were seeing is brand new and unique to covid when in fact that’s far from the truth. Woke people have been screaming for years about their chronic infections and post infectious disorders [mono, neurolyme, ME, pandas, Sydenham’s chorea, AE, POtS, MCAS, syphilis] is real but have been ignored by the mainstream medical community). But this still doesn’t explain the rates skyrocketing in recent years.

amother

↑ DarkGray

Sun, Sep 26 2021, 9:35 pm

amother [ Sage ] wrote:

Yes, infections have been triggering autoimmunity since the dawn of time too. But that doesn’t explain the rates skyrocketing.

Everyone in the world getting a new vaccine at the same time would therefore cause a number of autoimmune diseases to be triggered, I guess that makes sense. Wouldn’t a pandemic of a new disease causing hundreds of millions of cases do the same thing?

Here’s my point. If you consider getting the vaccine to be risking autoimmune disease, you would have to compare it to the risk of getting COVID leading to autoimmune disease. You seem to be comparing it to having nothing happen to your body.

Oh, and you would need to avoid every other known trigger as well. Plus the unknown ones, too, of course.

You would also need to leave G-d out of the equation entirely.

↑ Thisisnotmyreal ↓

Sun, Sep 26 2021, 9:41 pm

amother [ DarkGray ] wrote:

Then what do you say to the other posters talking about people developing autoimmune conditions after COVID?

I can just say, I had covid and it didn't cause a flare up. This is about anecdotal evidence ATM, since no one actually cares. Yes there are other possible triggers, but nothing else is designed to make your immune system to literally go into overdrive.

Again AIP diet and get ready to spend double on all your household items.

amother

Bergamot ↓

Sun, Sep 26 2021, 10:09 pm

amother [ Maize ] wrote:

Autoimmune diseases usually have a genetic marker that can often be triggered by a trauma to the body be it a car accident, birth, illness... Being exposed to an illness or just the vaccine of an illness can bring it out in the body too. But only in someone who already is predisposed to that autoimmune condition.
To be clear, not everybody who is predisposed to a condition will get it, but each person who gets that condition was predisposed to it.

This exactly my autoimmune disease came out from a miscarriage. But depends how body reads trauma and some it only takes a vaccine. In children you see it a lot the auto immune diseases come out after vaccines

amother

↑ Bergamot

Sun, Sep 26 2021, 10:15 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

And why should one think that the vaccine would be a trigger?

(Again, remember, this is pure speculation)

So everyone’s body reacts differently some people are triggered by a virus, by an airplane ride, by vaccine, by a fall, by miscarriage, so in. It depends when your body defines it as a trauma and then the auto immune that’s in you comes out.

amother

Begonia

Sun, Sep 26 2021, 10:16 pm

Unfortunately autoimmune issues run in my family. With myself, my children, my siblings and a very dear friend of mine there was always a trigger.

One was severe stress, for 2 of them it was a vaccine. (years ago....) and yet another it was going on a soy based protein diet (her doctor explicitly told her if was that. symptoms and onset was that obvious)

The ones still struggling horribly are the ones who chose the medical route... the ones who altered their diet/lifestyles are doing much better.
One of those was my niece. A horrible severe case of PANDAS /Sydenham chorrea. After neurologists almost gave up on her exhausting almost all options and suggesting very risky invasive treatments, diet, vitamins and homeopathy healed her. It was slow and steady rather than a complete refuah in one bam. Now years later all that's left is an occasional blinking twitch. Bright girl doing very well out of seminary.

Lifestyle change which included stress management, diet and vitamins - got my autoimmune disease into remission. It's been almost 2 decades bh. Had a little flare after one of my children but it bh resolved quickly.
My sister on the other hand , same diagnosis, went the medical route. Pops pills including strong pain killers. They are all bandaides. It's horrible watching her suffer.

One thing I strongly believe is the affect negative stress has on our immune systems and bodies.

imasinger

Mon, Sep 27 2021, 2:54 am

For better or worse, autoimmune disease hasn't been known about since the dawn of time. For most of the world's history, a person was far more likely to die of something else anyway, and nobody knew to look for this.

So we don't have tons of data even under the best of circumstances, which anything related to Covid is not, because it's still so new.

Perhaps best to focus on how to live as comfortably as possible for now. Someday, we'll have more accurate information on whether or not your vaccination was likely to be the trigger.

Refuah shleimah!

amother

Tuberose ↓

Mon, Sep 27 2021, 3:18 am

I live in Israel, had an immediate reaction to first vax, developed strong arthritis within a few days, plus other things. I've been to 3 specialists and a primary doctor all of whom say it is a reaction to the vaccine. I did not get the 2nd or 3rd, nor will I.

I've spoken to many doctors, many of whom have been seeing a tremendous amout of auto immune disease post vax, both in those with a history and without. They also have told me how scary it is and how they are also being told not to report it. This is in Israel and the US.

southernbubby ↓

Mon, Sep 27 2021, 4:41 am

amother [ Sage ] wrote:

Yes, infections have been triggering autoimmunity since the dawn of time too. But that doesn’t explain the rates skyrocketing.

Vaccines can and do play a role but so do a lot of things that are in our environment, such as giving steroids to livestock to make them develop more meat.
Just like with the development of cancer, it's not always possible to figure out what caused it and it's sometimes diagnosed at an age which is beyond the age that people reached a century ago.
I have also seen theories that killing gut bacteria with antibiotics causes more health problems than we previously realized.
We can look at countries that don't mass vaccinate but these countries often don't have many older people because they totally lack health care. Their diet is probably healthier than ours but health issues that we solve easily or don't develop at all in North America kill them at an earlier age.

amother

↑ Holly

Mon, Sep 27 2021, 4:50 am

amother [ Lily ] wrote:

I'm 40 as well and have also been having sciatica and back/leg issues, but they began in the winter before I was vaccinated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Of course. What are you doing to treat your symptoms? So strange that we both began to develop issues the winter before vaccination, at the same age. Please let me know how and what you are doing. I have a knee x-ray scheduled....

amother

Mint

Mon, Sep 27 2021, 5:18 am

amother [ Tuberose ] wrote:

Wow! That's horrible!
Why shouldn't they report it???

amother

Salmon

Mon, Sep 27 2021, 5:31 am

Why are so many people scared to acknowledge that this vaccine can trigger a whole host of problems. Why the blinders?
From what I’ve seen, the spike protein in covid can cause a whole host of problems. It seems like the vaccine does the same exact thing. And yet, it’s like the elephant in the room.
There’s a whole video circulating with people talking about their issues post vaccine, trying to give them a platform. This whole hush up is scarier than covid itself.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Mon, Sep 27 2021, 5:50 am

amother [ Salmon ] wrote:

They don't do much for public trust by deliberately covering up problems and would be better off to be objective and transparent.

amother

↑ Tuberose

Mon, Sep 27 2021, 6:01 am

I have a doctor friend I was asking some questions to, and she told me she is very concerned about the vaccine, but she was scared to say anything because the medical board has been threatening against "vaccine misinformation" and she doesn't want to lose her license.

My own doctors here in Israel are quick to tell me this is a vaccine response and they've seen plenty of cases like this. And yet their hands are tied.

When the doctors themselves are being told what to do versus how to practice medicine the way they've been trained, it is a very scary thing.

OP, there are a lot of people suffering like you. Myself included, but we are given no platform, and worse, no help. Vaccine enthusiasts would rather tell us we are crazy or it is just chance. Unfortunately, no one understands until it becomes personal. I hope everyone on their unsympathetic high horses learns to care about others with different experiences on their own without having to personally feel the long fall down from the saddle.

amother

↑ Sage ↓

Mon, Sep 27 2021, 6:04 am

southernbubby wrote:

Of course there are other factors and other possible triggers, I wasn’t trying to say that vaccines are the only one. Just that the argument that if we are genetically predisposed and it was going to “come out” at some point regardless doesn’t make sense.

amother

↑ Sage ↓

Mon, Sep 27 2021, 6:05 am

imasinger wrote:

The data from when we started gathering data is enough to show a huge increase in rates.