Doctor - I’m running out of compassion for the unvaccinated

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 7:02 pm

amother [ Bisque ] wrote:

What is early outpatient covid treatment?

Look up the FLCCC protocols. They are evidence based.

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 7:21 pm

amother [ NeonGreen ] wrote:

Look up the FLCCC protocols. They are evidence based.

The monoclonal antibodies are free.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 7:24 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

Six Corporations own all the newspapers, TV, Radio, Movies in the country.

Pharmaceutical Industry is the world's biggest advertisor who pays for all the news media.

So all the countries in the world including Israel are all in it together. You sound rediculous.

You want to say personal choice I get it. You want to say why vaccinate the recovered I understand.

Millions of people died from Covid that’s not important? The issue is with the vaccine Rolling Eyes

But rely on the few doctors and specialist that are against the vaccine. But thousand are for it ignore them?

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 7:30 pm

OP, are the thousand doctors really for it???

Any doctor who says they don't agree risks losing their license.

amother

↑ NeonGreen ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 7:34 pm

This is another conspiracy theory that turned out to be true. Look up (not on google) the Trusted News Initiative.

We have no independent media.

↑ Mishmish ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 7:35 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

OP, are the thousand doctors really for it???

Any doctor who says they don't agree risks losing their license.

Where is the substantiation for this claim? Just because you keep saying it does not make it true.
Baseless allegations repeated over and over are propaganda, not facts.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 7:37 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

OP, are the thousand doctors really for it???

Any doctor who says they don't agree risks losing their license.

I had a feeling you would say that. The argument that you can’t prove so you can say what ever you want regarding doctors.

But the few doctors that are speaking out are not concerned about losing their licence? Dr. Zalanko didn’t lose his licence and many more.

amother

↑ Denim ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 7:39 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

But rely on the few doctors and specialist that are against the vaccine. But thousand are for it ignore them?

No you should not rely on a doctor or specialist whose against but you should also not rely on one who is for. Rely on someone who will look at you as an individual and tell you if its right for you. And if I knew how to make that bold I would. Anyone who has more than one kid could tell you each person is their own kind different pregnancy different birth even different mischief. Every child and every human being is different and no two people are the same. For one person a vaccine is right for them the next it can cause serious problems and for the next only minor ones. I know someone who now has severe postpartum depression since getting the shot while I'm sure after I post this plenty of women will say they were fine you have to make an educated choice with the help of a UNBIASED DOCTOR.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 7:51 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

Dr. Zelinski was investigated by a Federal Prosecuter and was banned from Twitter.

Many other doctors had were threatened with losing their license or had their license suspended.

Dr. Bob Sears is another example of a doctors who was put on probation even though he supports vaccination, but disagrees with the CDC's vaccine schedule. Just disagreeing with CDC schedule is
enough to get a doctor into big trouble.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 8:04 pm

#BestBubby wrote:

Donal Trump was also banned from Twitter so what. Many other doctors???? Ghosts that we can’t name. Because they are all hiding.

That’s no argument.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 8:24 pm

anti-vax doctors

Michael Yeadon, Scientific Researcher for Pfizer (makes vaccines) and started his own Biotech Co
was kicked off social media for saying Covid Vaccine is dangerous.

Dr. Sherry Tenpenny, anti-vax doctor kicked off social media

A website called "QuackWatch" lists doctors who don't toe the medical establishment line:

Robert Atkins, MD
Robert Barefoot (updated 6/13/03)
Peter R. Breggin, MD (posted 9/12/02)
Jeffrey Bland, PhD (updated 4/19/04)
Patrick T. “Tim” Bolen (updated 7/3/13)
Hulda Clark’s Bizarre Claims (updated 10/23/09)
Adelle Davis (updated 1/15/06)
Lorraine Day, MD (updated 3/16/13)
Kurt W. Donsbach (updated 4/17/11)
David Eisenberg, MD (posted 3/16/02)
James S. Gordon, MD (posted 2/14/02)
Marty Hinz, MD (updated 8/17/21)
Joseph Mercola, DO (updated 7/25/21)
Earl Mindell (posted 3/14/05)
Gary Null (updated 5/10/19)
Memhet Oz, MD (link to another site)
David W. Rowland (updated 5/6/00)
Jordan S. Rubin (posted 3/13/06)
Robert Sears, MD (link to another site)
Andrew Weil, MD (posted 3/10/02)
Julian Whitaker, MD (link to another site)
Robert O. Young (updated 9/22/17)
Ilona Abraham, MD*
Aundrea J. Adams, RN****
Charles C. Adams, MD*
Mike Adams (link to another site)
Farrah Agustin-Bunch, MD*****
George W. Allibone, MD*
Charles E. Anderson, MD**
Geoffrey S. Ames, MD*
David Amrein*
Rolando Arafiles, Jr., MD***
Scott Atlas, MD
Stephen B. Ayre, MD
Nicholas Bachynsky, MD****
Jeff G. Baker, ND
James F. Balch, MD
Phyllis A. Balch, CNC
Pastor Robert Baldwin (link to another site)
Neal Barnard, MD (link to another site)
Robert Barefoot*
Donald Barrett*
Jon Barron (link to Skeptic’s Dictionary)
Elizabetth Bates, MD*
Noel Batten (link to another site)
Michael A. Baylin, DDS*
Paul V. Beals, MD*****
Joel Berger, DDS**
Rhett Bergeron, MD**
Brian Berman, MD
Haim Bicher, MD****
Paula Bickle****
Sam Biser
Jeffrey Bland, PhD***
Russell Blaylock, MD (link to Skeptic’s Dictionary)
Kenneth R. Blum, MD
Tim Bolen / Jan Bolen
Ty Bollinger (link to another site)
Dean Bonlie, DDS
Victor Bouquette, MD*
Carole R. Bradford***
Trudy Bricker*****
J.E. Bouquot, DDS, MSD
Donald Brandt* / Sharon Brandt*
Eric T. Braverman, MD***
Peter R. Breggin, MD
Mark Breiner, DDS*
Les Breitman, MD*
Joyce E. Brown, RN**
Jennie Burke*
Robert A. Burkich, MD****
U.S. Congressman Dan Burton
Stanislaw Burzynski, MD***
Craig D. Butler, MD**
Rashid Buttar, MD*
Dolores Cahill, PhD
Andrew W. Campbell, MD***
Yoshke Caquias, MD**
Robert G. Carlson, MD*
Rebecca Lee Carley, MD*
Richard A. Carter, DO***
Sam Chachoua
Stephen A. Cherniske**
Edmund Chein, MD****
Deepak Chopra, MD
Paul J. Cimoch, MD*
Daniel G. Clark, MD**
Larry Clapp, PhD, JD
Leonard Coldwell, ND, PhD**
Florence Comite, MD
Leigh Erin Connealy, MD*
Paul Connett, PhD
Arthur Copes, PhD**
Serafina Corsello, MD*
Lee Cowden, MD**
John E. Curran, MD, ND, PhD********
Robert M. Currier, DO* (link to another site)
Kazuko Curtin
Greg Cynaumon (link to another site)
Peter J. D’Adamo, ND (link to Skeptic’s Dictionary)
Dragon Dabik aka D.D. David (link to another site)
Irving I. Dardik, MD*
James Gary Davidson**
Richard Claire Davis, Jr, MD**
Lorraine Day, MD
Phillip Day (link to Skeptic’s Dictionary)
Carolyn Dean, MD**
Ward Dean, MD*
Charlene DeMarco, DO**
Robert DeMaria, DC* (link to another site)
Errol Denton*** (link to another site)
Keith R. DeOreo, MD*
Pieter J. De Wet, MD***
Jeanne Drisko, MD
Harvey Diamond*
Marilyn Diamond*
John A. Dicke, PhD, JD*
John V. Dommisse, MD***
Kurt Donsbach**********
Bruce R. Dooley, MD**
Meryl Dorey
Rodney Dotson, MD*********
Eric A. Dover, MD*
Harold J. Dykema, DC*
Stephen B. Edelson, MD**
Ted L. Edwards, MD*
John Edward (link to another site)
David Eisenberg, MD
Mayer Eisenstein, MD
Charles Farr, MD, PhD** (link to another site)
Helke Ferrie
Barbara Loe Fisher (link to another site)
Roger H. Fisher, PhD**
Paul M. Fleiss, MD*
Peter C. Foster******
David R. Friedman, DC, ND*
Wendi Friesen
Viola M. Frymann, DO**
Herman Hugh Fudenberg, MD**
Arthur Furman, DDS**
Joanne Gallagher, DC*
Timoteo Galvez, MD*
John E. Gambee, MD***
Charles Gant, MD*
Mark R. Geier, MD, PhD************
Michael Gerber, MD*
Isabell K. Gervais***
Bryan Gescuk, MD*
Belle Gibson*
Patrick A. Golden, MD*
James S. Gordon, MD
Jay Gordon, MD (link to another site)
David L. Gordon, MD***
Jay Gordon, MD (Santa Monica, California) (link to another site)
Richard Gorringe, MD**
Joe Graedon, Terry Graedon
Doug Grant*
John Gray, PhD* (link to another site)
William E. Gray III, MD**
Michael E. Greer, MD***
Alex Guerrero
Stephen R. Gundry, MD (link to another site)
Louise Habakus
Boyd E. Haley, PhD*
Prudence Hall, MD*
Ronald L. Halstead, DC**
William M. Hammesfahr, MD
J.B. Handley (link to another site)
Richard T. Hansen, DMD***
Vani Hari (the “Food Babe”) (link to another site)
Steven R. Harris, MD*
David Heber, MD, PhD (link to another site)
Roy G. Heilbron, MD***
Bruce E. Hedendal, DC, PhD*
Henry Heimlich, MD (link to another site)
Joe Hickey, MD
Benny Hinn (link to another site)
Marty Hinz, MD******
Carole Hoffman (Montcure, NC)
Jay M. Holder, DC**
William Holder, MD*
Patrick Holford*
Dennis Hooper, MD, PhD***
Len Horowitz, DMD, MPH***
Steven Hotze, MD
Arianna Huffington
Jim Humble**
John Humiston, MD*
Russell W. Hunt, MD**
Jeremiah Hunter (aka Jeffrey Dummett)****
Mark Hyman, MD (link to another site)
Louis Ignarro, PhD
Michael Imani, PhD*
Jacques Imbeau, DMD*
Stella Immanuel, MD (link to another site)
Charles K. Inlander
Klee Irwin*
Joseph Jemsek, MD**
Sayer Ji (link to aniother site)
John of God (link to another site)
Andrew P. Jones, MD**
Bennie S. Johnson, DO**
James E. Johnson, MD*
Jesse Jutkowitz, DC*****
Eleazer M. Kadile, MD*
Daniel Kamen, DC*
Ted Kaptchuk, OMD
David Katz, MD
Jimmy Keller**
Robert Kennedy, Jr.**
Roy E. Kerry, MD*
David Kirby (link to another site)
Monte Kline, PhD***
Dietrich Klinghardt, MD*
Jay Kordich
Tedd Koren, DC
Brent Korn, DO**
Dean Kraft
Nelson Kraucak, MD*
Arthur C. Krigsman, MD****
Josef Krop, MD*
Jacob W. Kulp, DC**
Robert Kulacz, DDS*
Andrew J. Lane**
I. William Lane, PhD**
John A. Launius, MD*
Sarah Laurie, BMBS
Charles E. Law, Jr., MD**
Ronald Lawrence,MD, PhD* (link to another site)
Terry J. Lee, DDS***
John Luther Lentz, Jr., MD***
Ben Lynch, ND (link to another site()
Anthony Lionetti, MD**
Robert L Lytle, DDS (Larry Lytle)***
Loren Lockman*
Karl Loren (a/k/a Loren Karl Troescher)*
Dwight Lundell, MD****
James J. Mahoney, DO*
Rev. George Malkmus
Michael D. Margolis, DDS***********
Richard Markoll, MD, PhD*
Richard A. Marschall, ND*****
Gary Martin*
James J. Martin, DC**
Robert C. Martin, DC
Betty Martini (also known as Nancy Markle)* (link to another site)
James P. Matthews, MD**
Steven Mays, DO*
Donald D. McBride, Jr., ND*
Marijah McCain, ND, MD(AM), PhD*****
Jennifer McCarthy
John A McDougall, MD (link to another site)
Gillian McKeith***
Joseph McWherter, MD**
John O. Meadors, DC*
Joseph Mercola, DO****
Dorothy Merritt**
Julian Metter, PhD**
Deborah A. Metzger, MD**
Diane Meyer, DDS*
William K. Nabors, DDS
Andrew McNaughton**
Judy Mikovits, PhD (link to another site)
Lionel Milgrom (link to another site)
Earl Mindell, RPh**
David Ira Minkoff, MD**
Sandi Mitchell, PhD**
Jean Monro, MB BS, MRCS, LRCP, FAAEM, DIBEM, MACOEM*
Joseph R. Montante, MD***
Ralph W. Moss, PhD
Jonathan B. Murphy, MD
Marty Murray
William K. Nabors, DDS**
Gaston Naessons**
Jarir Nakouzi, MDs*
Devi S. Nambudripad, DC, LAc, RN, PhD
Joseph Natole, Jr., MD
Daniel Neides, MD (link to another site)
Bradley Nelson, DC (link to Skeptic’s Dictionary)
William C. Nelson, PhD, MD, NMD, ScD, ND*****
Jillian Newlands*
Christiane Northrup, MD (link to another site)
Gary Null, PhD*
Brian E.P.B. O’Connell**
Joseph Chikelue Obi* (link to another site)
Kathy Oddenino, BS, RN
Alex Orbito*
Gary Ordog, MD***
Ina June Organ*
Memhet Oz, MD
Gary Pace, PhD**
Gwyneth Paltrow
Alireza Panahpour, DDS** (a/k/a Alex Pana, Alexander Pana)
Richard Passwater*
Durk Pearson
David Perlmutter, MD
Nicholas V. Perricone, MD
Laurence Perry, NMD, ND****
Brian S. Peskin***
Douglas J. Phillips, DDS**
Michael Pinkus, DC**
John C. Pittman, MD**
Charles Pixley*
Micheal E. Platt, MD*
David Eugene Pontius*
Helmut Prahl, PhD (link to another site)
Dr. Ian Geoffrey Raddatz*
William C. Rader, MD*
Mathias Rath, MD***
Seshagiri Rao, MD**
Bernard Raxlen, MD******
Shelvie Rettmann**
Joseph E. Rich, MD****
Insabel de los Rios (link to another site)
Anthony Robbins* (link to another site)
Joel Robbins, DC, ND, MD**
Carol Roberts, MD*
Anthony G. Roeder, DDS*
Robert J. Rogers, MD*
Sherry A. Rogers, MD*
David W. Rowland*
Michel Y. Roy, DC*****
Bozena Rozum-Slota, MD*
Jordan S. Rubin, NMD, PhD, CNC****
Geronimo Rubio, MD***
Carol Ann Ryser, MD**
Raymond J. Salani, PhD*****
Humbart Santillo, ND
Andrew Saul, PhD*
Thomas S. Sawyer*
Alexander Schauss, PhD*
Amy B. Scher (link to another site)
Alan Schwartz, MD**
Diana Schwarzbein, MD
Rick Scott
Robert W. Sears, MD* (link to another site)
Darryl See, MD*
Sergio Stagnaro, MD (link to another site)
Wesley Shankland, DDS**
Todata R. Shanthaveerappa, M.D. (a/k/a T.R. Shantha, M.D.**
C. Norman Shealey, MD*
James Shen, DDS**
Richie Shoemaker, MD*
James M. Shortt, MD**
Robann Sica, MD**
Stephen L. Smith, MD**
Suzanne Somers (link to another site)
William M. Spurlock, MD****
Leanna J. Standish, ND, PhD, Dipl Ac
John E. Stauch, PhD***
David A. Steenblock, MD****
Jesse A. Stoff, MD*
Philip Straw, DC*
Arnold J. Susser, RPh, PhD*
Murray Susser, MD***
Stuart M. Suster, MD**
Arnold C. Takemoto* (link to another site)
Shawn M. Talbot, PhD*
Katrina C. Tang, HMD***
Jerald Tennant, MD***
Michael Teplitsky, MD (aka Michael Tepliski, MD)****
Ron Tepper*
Thomas Ronald Theodore***
Alexander W. Thermos, DO****
Stephen R. Thomas
Steven Tondre*
John R. Toth, MD***
Timothy S. Trader, NMD, PhD, DD***
Kevin Trudeau********
C. Orian Truss, MD
Dana Ullman, MPH*
Anjum Usman, MD*
Michael Uzick, ND*
Jason Vale***
Richard Vander Heyden, DDS**
Arthur Vanmoor***
Herald E. Vermette, DDS**
Colleen Victory, MD (a/k/a/Kelly Victory, MD)*
Jonathan Wainwright*** (link to another site)
Andrew Wakefield* (link to another site)
Joel D. Wallach, DVM, ND
Chris Wark
U.S. Rep. Diane Watson
Bradford S. Weeks, MD**
Andrew Weil, MD
Jordan Weiss, MD*
Robyn Elizabeth Welch (link to another site)
Kenneth J. Welker, MD***
Ronald Wempen, MD**
Scott Rulon Werner, MD*****
Julian Whitaker, MD (link to another site)
Yolanda White, MD
Robert B. Wickman, DO***
Frank D. Wiewel
David Williams, DC (link to another site)
E. Denis Wilson, MD*
Oprah Winfrey
Juergen Winkler, MD**
Ray Wisniewski, DC
Tom Wu, MD, PhD***
Jonathan V. Wright, MD**
Paul Yanick, Jr,. PhD, ND, CNC, CQM*
Amy Yasko, PhD, ND, NHD** (link to another site)
Robert O. Young, MS, DSc, PhD, ND******
Chester Yozwick*
Sam Zeller*
Deceased
Albert Abrams, MD
Paavo Airola, ND*
Hariton Alivizatos
H. Rudolph Alslaben, MD*****
Deborah E. Banker, MD**
Fred H. Barge, DC
William Horatio Bates, MD*
Fereydoon Batmanghelidj, MD
Robert M. Battle, MD*****
Berkley Bedell (link to another site)
Harvey Bigelsen, MD*****
Valentine Birds, MD**
Leo J. Bolles, MD***
Alfredo D. Bowman (“Dr. Sebi”)***
Robert W. Bradford*******
Jeff Bradstreet, MD
A. Glenn Braswell***145 actions***
Barbara Brewitt*
John R. Brinkley**
Sylvia Browne*
Milan Brych**
Dean Burk, PhD
Stanley Burroughs*
Lawrence Burton, PhD*
Harold Buttram, MD*
Gregory Earl Caplinger********
Edgar Cayce (link to Skeptic’s Dictionary)
Hulda Clark, PhD, ND**
John Colquhoun, DDS, PhD
William G. Crook, MD
Michael L. Culbert*
Adelle Davis
Ravi Devgan, MD***
Luigi Di Bella, PhD
Benjamin Feingold, MD
Paul M. Fleiss, MD**
Carlton Fredericks*
T.C. Fry*
Max Gerson, MD
Dinshah P. Ghadiali, MD, ME, DC, PhD, LLD, ND, DOpt, FFS, DHT, DMT, DST**********
Joseph Gold, MD
Nicholas Gonzalez, MD*
Leonard Haimes, MD***
Bruce Halstead, MD*
Ryke Geerd Hamer*****
Gayelord Hauser***
Bernadine Healy, MD
Bob Hoffman*****
David Horrobin, MD, PhD
Harry Hoxsey**
Hal A. Huggins, DDS**
Mark S. Hulet, DDS*
Bernard Jensen, DC
Gordon Josephs, DO*****
William D. Kelley, DDS**
John Harvey Kellogg (link to another site)
Lelord Kordel******
Ernst T Krebs, Jr.***
Ernst T. Krebs, Sr.*
Harold J. Kristel, DDS*
Hans J. Kugler, PhD*
Jacob Kulp, DC**
Roy Kupsinel, MD*
Michio Kushi
Don Lapre******
Raymond Lecraw a/k/a Raymond LaCroix, MD*
John R. Lee, MD
Royal S. Lee, DDS*****
Warren Levin, MD*
Shari Lieberman
Robert Liefmann, MD****
Virginia C. Livingston, MD*
Harold Manner, PhD
Cyrus Maxfield***
Rajko Medenica, MD** (article in Westword). Also see article in The Cancer Letter
Robert S. Mendelsohn, MD
Patrick M. McGrady, Jr.
Cornelis Moerman, MD
J. Anthony Morris, PhD
William E. Morton, MD*
Frank J. Mosler, MD**
Andrew J. Moulden, MD
Richard P. Murray, DC
Robert O. Nara, DDS*
Paul Niehans, MD
Hans Nieper, MD*
William P. O’Neill
Nasser Ordoubai, MD (a/k/a/”Dr. Noah McKay”)**
Perry Orens, MD*
Daniel David (“D.D.”) Palmer
Melvin Page, DDS
Roy C. Page, MD***
James Parker, DC
Edward Patrick, MD
Linus Pauling, PhD
Weston Price, DDS
James R. Privitera, MD***
Evans Rapsomanikis*
William J. Rea, MD*
Carey Reams*
Wilhelm Reich, MD*
Emanuel Revici, MD**
John Richardson, MD**
Russell Roby, MD********
Franklin Harvey Ross, MD*
Raymond Royal Rife
Maureen Kennedy Salaman**
Anthony J. Sattilaro, MD
Herbert Shelton
Darlene Sherrell
O. Carl Simonton, MD
Jack Slingluff, DO**
Ed Skilling
Lendon Smith, MD**
Donald E. Soli, MD**
Richard J. Speckhart, MD**
Rudolf Steiner
Ian Stevenson, MD
Walter W. Stoll, Jr., MD**
Elisabeth Targ, MD
John H. Tilden, MD
John W. Tintera, MD**
John E. Upledger, DO
d!ck A. Versendaal, DC
Morton Walker, DPM
Joe Weider******
George Starr White, ND, DC, PhD
Robert D. Willix, Jr., MD
John Yiamouyiannis, PhD
Rily Young, DDS*
Floyd E. Weston*
Ann Wigmore*****

amother

↑ OP

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 8:37 pm

Losing your social media presence is not losing your license. Stop bringing that up.

Interesting the you bright up https://quackwatch.org did you even check out the site?

One of the doctors that are on the list that I randomly checked.
https://quackwatch.org/11ind/young3/

This is becoming rediculous.

↑ etky ↓

Sun, Aug 22 2021, 11:01 pm

amother [ NeonGreen ] wrote:

That's kind of rude, no? I've read plenty, outside of imamother.

The figure certainly doesn't mean nothing.

I'll break it down: I'm assuming (but maybe I'm wrong; you could also just make your argument instead of hinting) that your logic is that since most people in Israel are vaccinated, if one compares the percentage of sick people who are vaccinated with the percentage sick people who are unvaccinated, there is a lower percentage of sick people who are vaccinated.

This reasoning has a few flaws:
For one, if someone is making a risk benefit analysis as to whether he should get the vaccine, reduced efficacy of the vaccine is highly relevant. The question I will want to answer is personal to me, not: Do the vaccines offer *any* benefit, but, Do they offer a benefit that's substantial enough for it to be worth it for me to get vaccinated? Clearly, the original claim of 95% effectiveness was a lie.

Second, who are these 10% of elderly adults in Israel who are not vaccinated? They are in frail health and afraid of the vaccine because of their frail health. In other words, they are also at the highest risk for becoming very sick from covid. We are not comparing people across age groups and health levels; you are comparing a self-selected group of people who chose not to get vaccinated due to poor health, and the majority of the population who is in better health, overall, who did get vaccinated. And yet, 60% of those overall healthy people, comprise the severely ill covid cases.

Finally, we are not looking at numbers that are static. First, the vaccine was 95% effective. Then whoa it dropped to 60%. Now it's at 40%. With sick cases multiplying exponentially, maybe next week it will drop to 20%, who knows?

And this is the real problem with the vaccines. Everyone is viewing them as though we understand how effective they are, when, how effective they are is something that is turning out to be quite fluid and changing by the day and week and across continents.

This is just wrong.
What do you base your assertion on regarding the reason they are not vaccinated?
Most people in Israel who are not vaccinated - including the frail elderly - are just not interested in being vaccinated. And among the elderly, many are from the Arab sector which is under-vaccinated in general.
Second, the data has been normalized and analyzed separately for each age group, and within those age groups comparisons were made between those with comorbidities and those without and the results showed that in each group those who were vaccinated fared far better than those who were not.
https://www.globes.co.il/news/.....79387
This study was conducted before the administration of the third dose and I imagine in preparation for the cabinet decision to introduce the booster.
Since then, the discrepancies regarding severe disease between vaccinated and unvaccinated have become much more dramatic. All you have to do it check the Health Ministry's dashboard to see the graphs.
If you're going to bring Israel into the picture as someone on this thread suggested, then do it accurately and don't just throw out numbers without context or state unsubstantiated 'facts'.

amother

↑ Mint ↓

Mon, Aug 23 2021, 12:48 am

etky wrote:

It’s not about understanding scientific findings or statistics, it’s about seeing and believing what you want.
Conspiracy theorists always have “facts” to back their “research”.

It is amazing how these theories and this “evidence” is never brought by here by people who actually work in hospitals or healthcare, it is always others who “know better”.

I work in a hospital and everything single coworkers (with the exception of one aide who is a Islamic from an African country and does not vaccinate at all for religious reasons -not sure how she is in health care) is vaccinated. Every MD, RN, RD, MSW, PT, OT… that I know personally is vaccinated. But hey, we have all been to busy working during the pandemic to follow Instagram so we clearly aren’t as informed and woke as the general public.

amother

↑ Heather ↓

Mon, Aug 23 2021, 12:53 am

We believe the vaccinations have helped tremendously B”H
That said we don’t believe in mandates
Or censorship
Scary stuff

amother

↑ Pewter

Mon, Aug 23 2021, 12:55 am

https://www.israelnationalnews.....12233

↑ southernbubby ↓

Mon, Aug 23 2021, 4:43 am

Some people are taking veterinary ivermectin. Cows are bigger than people so it is not healthy to take medication intended for livestock. Some people got sick while using livestock medications to prevent coronavirus.
There is apparently thin evidence that ivermectin prevents and treats Covid. It's not zero evidence but there is strong evidence that monoclonal antibodies prevent hospitalization if given early. The government sponsors this in order to prevent chaos in hospitals. It is given as outpatient treatment.

↑ #BestBubby ↓

Mon, Aug 23 2021, 5:04 am

amother [ Mint ] wrote:

They have no choice.

Any health care worker who refuses to vax
is fired.

There is a thread "what vax if you are forced" by a nurse who does not want to vax but is
COERCED to vax or be fired.

amother

↑ Denim ↓

Mon, Aug 23 2021, 5:07 am

Mishmish wrote:

Where is the substantiation for this claim? Just because you keep saying it does not make it true.
Baseless allegations repeated over and over are propaganda, not facts.

Revoke the license of any doctor who opposes vaccination

(Ann Cutting/For The Washington Post)
By Arthur L. CaplanFebruary 6, 2015
Arthur L. Caplan is the director of the Division of Medical Ethics at NYU Langone Medical Center’s Department of Population Health.

Amateurs and hucksters are not the only people telling parents not to vaccinate their children. Unfortunately some doctors — men and women sworn to the Hippocratic Oath — are purveying junk science. They say that vaccines cause autism, as in the famous case of Andrew Wakefield, whose study drawing the link has been retracted. Or that measles isn’t that bad, so your child can skip the shots, as Jack Wolfson, a cardiologist in Arizona, says, adding that “the facts” show vaccines to be full of “harmful things” like “chemicals.” Or that, according to some parents, vaccines cause “profound mental disorders,” as Sen. Rand Paul, an ophthalmologist, warned before he walked the statement back. Or that vaccines cause “permanent disability or death,” in the words of Bob Sears, a pediatrician in California.

Thankfully, only a few physicians in America have embraced fear-mongering in the middle of this dangerous and costly measles epidemic. They deserve a place of honor next to climate-change skeptics, anti-fluoridation kooks and Holocaust deniers. They doubt the facts, ignore established evidence and concoct their own pet theories. They shouldn’t be allowed near patients, let alone TV cameras. But because their suggestions are so surprising and controversial, they often find themselves on cable news shows and in news reports about the “anti-vaxx” crowd. Their power, therefore, is radically disproportionate to their numbers.

Doctors who purvey views based on anecdote, myth, hearsay, rumor, ideology, fraud or some combination of all of these, particularly during an epidemic, should have their medical licenses revoked. Thankfully, states have the right tools to do so. It’s time to use them.

Going after doctors for speaking their minds is a tricky business. Doctors use their judgment and experience all the time to recommend things to patients that regulatory bodies have not approved or that their peers might think inadvisable: “Yes, there are risks involved, but I don’t wear a helmet when I ride my motorcycle, and I understand if you don’t want to, either.”

This is generally okay: By the time someone is licensed to practice medicine, she has acquired so much knowledge and training — seven to 12 years, not including college — that she can balance any maverick ideas against best practices and known risks. Doctors are within their rights to take certain gambles with novel drugs such as Viagra (originally developed as a treatment for hypertension) or to espouse unusual lifestyles such as the paleo diet. The effect is generally limited to a physician’s patients.

But a doctor is not just another person with First Amendment rights to free speech. When a doctor tells you not to vaccinate, it is not the same as when a layperson says the same thing. And when a doctor ignores the evidence to claim that the measles vaccine will harm your child, it is not the same as when your bartender or hairdresser says so. Physicians’ speech invokes medical authority, so when they speak, patients tend to listen. Especially when they speak on TV.

Because lives hang in the balance, medical speech is held to a higher standard. A doctor must consider the public health and patient good in all that he says in his role as an expert. To do otherwise, as the ethics codes in medicine and nursing suggest, is unprofessional. It might even constitute misconduct if such talk contributed to an epidemic.

Counseling against vaccination is exactly that kind of misconduct. The science is unimpeachable: Vaccines do not cause autism; measles is dangerous and contagious; inoculating against the disease is neither pointless nor riskier than abstention. Those doctors who counsel otherwise — who distort what patients need to know to preserve their health or that of their children — have crossed a bright red line. They have violated a patient’s right to informed consent, which depends on accurate information.

That is why medical speech is subject to scrutiny by a doctor’s peers and can be curtailed by state licensing boards. My home state of New York, for instance, warns doctors that they may not use speech that is “false, fraudulent, deceptive, misleading” or relies on the use of “testimonials.” Violations may be punished by revoking a medical license. Those whose misinformation leads to harm can be charged by a patient, doctor or other health-care professional; investigated by the medical board; and found guilty by a hearing panel composed of doctors and a member of the public. I have testified in many court and licensing hearings about physicians who abjure the standard of care for their own pet theories. Many of them are now ex-doctors.

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The vaccine crisis has introduced several worthy candidates — proponents of distrust and dishonesty — for dismissal from the ranks of doctors, and the rules in their states provide the mechanism.

Kentucky is home to Paul, the fear-mongering senator who said he could not support mandatory immunization because many parents had told him that vaccines can cause mental disorders. He walked those comments back but appears to have believed them for many years. Kentucky statute KRS 311.595(9) says that “dishonorable, unethical, or unprofessional conduct of a character likely to deceive, defraud, or harm the public or any member thereof” is grounds to consider yanking a physician’s license. He may also be sanctioned if he “issues, publishes, or makes oral or written representations in which grossly improbable or extravagant statements are made which have a tendency to deceive or defraud the public.”

Arizona is home to cardiologist Wolfson, who told the Arizona Republic: “We should be getting measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox. These are the rights of our children to get it.” He told this newspaper, USA Today, CNN and anyone else who cared to listen to his unfounded views of vaccination: “Don’t be mad at me for speaking the truth about vaccines. Be mad at yourself, because you’re, frankly, a bad mother. You didn’t ask once about those vaccines. You didn’t ask about the chemicals in them. You didn’t ask about all the harmful things in those vaccines . . . People need to learn the facts.”

Arizona’s Medical Practice Act says, “The board on its own motion may investigate any evidence that appears to show that a doctor of medicine is or may be medically incompetent, [or] is or may be guilty of unprofessional conduct.” Given that Wolfson has gone so far as to fulminate against “chemicals,” there is ample room for a charge of incompetence.

California is home to Sears, the anti-vaxx pediatrician who favors alternative medicine and told CNN that “every year in the United States, between 3,000 and 4,500 severe vaccine reactions are reported to the Centers for Disease Control. Not mild reactions. Severe reactions that land somebody in the hospital, the intensive-care unit or cause a permanent disability or death.” You would have to be a child abuser to vaccinate your kid given those numbers! But of course his stats are drivel. The CDC maintains the database that Sears used to generate his irresponsibly scary figures, and it includes a clear warning that there is no evidence that the reported adverse events are actually related to vaccines. They are simply things that happened around the time vaccines were administered. Correlation does not show causality. Otherwise we might attribute the rise in autism to the increased consumption of organic food or the number of years Jenny McCarthy has existed on Earth.

California’s medical licensing board frowns on doctors who endanger the public health — “whenever the protection of the public is inconsistent with other interests sought to be promoted, the protection of the public shall be paramount” — and says that “the board shall take action against any licensee” charged with unprofessional conduct, incompetence or dishonesty. That unprofessionalism is not, the courts have said, limited to “the actual treatment of a patient.” Sears is squarely in violation.

The American Medical Association, too, has trouble with physicians like Sears who make up numbers in the middle of a measles epidemic and push them to a nervous public. Its Code of Ethics (in a section devoted to social media) says: “When physicians see content posted by colleagues that appears unprofessional they have a responsibility to bring that content to the attention of the individual, so that he or she can remove it and/or take other appropriate actions. If the behavior significantly violates professional norms and the individual does not take appropriate action to resolve the situation, the physician should report the matter to appropriate authorities,” meaning, in this case, the California licensing board.

When politicians ignore the evidence, fail to cite appropriate medical authorities, and rely on hearsay and rumor, with the result that people — out of ignorance or error — don’t vaccinate their children, we can and should deny them elective office. When a doctor does so, we should demand that he forfeit his right to use his medical degree to misinform, confuse or lie.

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↑ Garnet ↓

Mon, Aug 23 2021, 5:15 am

#BestBubby wrote:

They have no choice.

Any health care worker who refuses to vax
is fired.

There is a thread "what vax if you are forced" by a nurse who does not want to vax but is
COERCED to vax or be fired.

I'm a nurse at a hospital near NYC. No employee is forced to vaccinate. It is a choice