Building collapse surfside Miami Florida

↑ Amarante ↓

Sat, Jun 26 2021, 11:57 pm

amother [ Mocha ] wrote:

Can anyone tell me why rescue efforts are so slow?

Because it is a house of card and they can’t move debris without making sure it doesn’t make things worse. The responders could be killed or injured as well as anyone who survived initially because they were in a pocket. There are also fires which can’t be easily extinguished because they can’t just hose it down because it would cause further collapse

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:20 am

amother [ Mocha ] wrote:

Is there even hope that anyone is alive?

An elderly couple's landline keeps calling the family but all they get is static and they are wondering if these third floor relatives are alive.

amother

↑ Mocha

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:29 am

southernbubby wrote:

An elderly couple's landline keeps calling the family but all they get is static and they are wondering if these third floor relatives are alive.

I saw that. My heart is breaking

amother

↑ Sage ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:29 am

It’s horrifying to think what a person is going through if they are alive. They have no idea what happened, crushed under debris, no food or water, no communication. It would be miraculous if they find people alive who suffered minimally. We could daven for that. I hope this has a truly miraculous ending.
A whole shabbos I was waiting to hear how many people were found. Mind boggling that it was one dead person in 25 hours.

↑ chestnut ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:30 am

Amarante wrote:

What are the fires from? Why can't the machinery move debris, so the responders don't risk their lives?
Just trying to understand. It's been 3 days Sad

amother

Tomato

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:35 am

I never understood why such a process is so slow. Isn’t time off essence? Could we not use machinery to help? If this would have happened god forbid in Israel would the procedure be handled differently?

↑ Amarante ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:37 am

chestnut wrote:

What are the fires from? Why can't the machinery move debris, so the responders don't risk their lives?
Just trying to understand. It's been 3 days Sad

You can’t move with machinery until you acknowledge here are no survivors. No one knows what the fires are from. It could be from gas lines in the building.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:37 am

How can you lift large chunks if there are ppl immediately under. Debris falls. Walls and ceilings and Items supported by it will fall. You lose control of what happens to the situation.
When it’s recovery they will work faster bec don’t worry about lives.
Fires are probably gas left in the lines.

amother

↑ Dandelion ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:38 am

These things don't take so long, I really don't understand why they are moving slower than other situations. Something feels off with the slowness.

Stars

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:39 am

Is this the first time something like this has happened. Are they standing around staring at the pile of debris? What is going on? How in the world are 156 people still missing? Who’s holding the rescuers accountable here?

↑ Amarante ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:41 am

amother [ Dandelion ] wrote:

These things don't take so long, I really don't understand why they are moving slower than other situations. Something feels off with the slowness.

They do take a long time as long as there is possibility of life. They are working under extremely difficult conditions with torrential rain at some point so portions are flooded and the debris is slippery. The fires are slowing rescue and as I posted, they can’t be extinguished without potentially causing the debris to collapse.

amother

↑ Sage

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:41 am

Amarante wrote:

You can’t move with machinery until you acknowledge here are no survivors. No one knows what the fires are from. It could be from gas lines in the building.

If they wait any longer there won’t be any survivors.
There has to be a slow safe way to move the debris. I obviously don’t know about these things but there just has to be a better way now...

amother

↑ Dandelion ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:44 am

And the longer they take the less chance of life there is. I watched the rescue when a building in india collapsed and they actually saved a lot of people right away. This isn't adding up. And people can keep repeating why they decided it makes sense, but still compared to other similar situations it's looking very different.

↑ Amarante ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:45 am

amother [ Sage ] wrote:

If they wait any longer there won’t be any survivors.
There has to be a slow safe way to move the debris. I obviously don’t know about these things but there just has to be a better way now...

Well that is the heartbreak of these kinds of collapsed structures.

They have the most experienced rescue people working and leading. Why do you think you know better than those who have dedicated their lives to these kinds of rescues. Do you think they are deliberately not working as quickly as possible. From what I have read conditions are so treacherous thst many of them were and are risking their lives rather than wait until the debris is fully stabilized.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:54 am

amother [ Dandelion ] wrote:

When have you ever seen 12 stories pancake like this to have something to compare it to?
It’s very unusual. Typically they fall differently. One expert was saying a failure like this is extremely unusual.
As slow as it looks do you think sticking jaws of construction equipment and scooping random items wouldn’t cause serious injury.
The governor was saying that on the news and in video you can’t appreciate how ginormous the pile of rubble is.

amother

Celeste ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 12:59 am

what happened to the woman they heard behind the wall?
why couldn't they get to her? they were close enough to hear her!!

amother

↑ OP ↓

Sun, Jun 27 2021, 1:03 am

amother [ Celeste ] wrote:

what happened to the woman they heard behind the wall?
why couldn't they get to her? they were close enough to hear her!!

Only Jewish news sites reported that.
I didn’t see it anywhere else so you have to wonder if it was true.

Chessed shel emes made it sound like they are recovering Body parts at this point while searching and there is a fear like September 11 it will be difficult to identify everyone.

Also ppl were pulled out immediately. There was a first hand account were A man described pulling ppl out. But that was only immediately after ppl that could climb out.