Dr Sarno for Crohn's?

thanks

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 4:17 am

amother [ Dodgerblue ] wrote:

Crohn’s means there’s inflammation. I highly doubt the sarno method can cure that. Maybe can help with pain and handling it and all but you need to fix the problem be it through meds or the SCD

Crohns is on Dr Sarno list as caused by TMS. All the ailments on the list have physical symptoms. Sarno method does not say it's all in your head. That's a misunderstanding of his approach. Read his books to understand.

amother

↑ Dodgerblue

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 7:35 am

thanks wrote:

I have read his books. It still needs to be done in conjunction with meds and not in place of meds. There are conditions that just cause symptoms but not damage to the body, like IBS. Crohn’s on the other hand causes actual damage to the intestines. So go ahead and read sarno to help control symptoms but you still must take care of healing the intestine.

amother

Apricot

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 9:01 am

My dd has crohns and someone told me they controlled the pain using his method. I don’t know if that is the only tool they used. But in the past my dd suffered severe pain (bH not now). So I could see someone living with that continuously try it.

amother

↑ Yellow ↓

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 9:30 am

amother [ Blue ] wrote:

I would be vary wary of any doctor trying to cure IBD (note, I'm not talking IBS) with alternative methods. I have colitis, and there is no diet/ethos/prayers/etc that help it, no matter what people claim.

This is misinformation. Some people might need medicine for IBD. Some people can be fully in remission for an extended time with diet. Some people need both to feel good. Regardless, everyone should work on emotional healing as the Rambam talks about emotions is the root of all illness.
Bh my husband has been living pain, symptom, and inflammation free for a number of years using a combination of alternative healing methods. There is so much hope out there.
Which autoimmune condition do you know of that has a cure in Western medicine? None. There are no cures for autoimmune illnesses, only medication to suppress or manage symptoms.
Look, I'm not going to try to convince you to go off medication. I believe everyone has to do what they feel they can do and what they believe will be best for their body. Until you've put time, money, and effort into trying different alternative methods, you can't say that it doesn't work. And even if it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it won't work for others.

amother

↑ Blue ↓

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 9:34 am

amother [ Yellow ] wrote:

Complementary medicine will not cure or fix IBD, says the Chrons and Colitis foundation: https://www.crohnscolitisfound.....icine

Do not be naive.

amother

↑ Yellow ↓

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 10:57 am

amother [ Blue ] wrote:

Complementary medicine will not cure or fix IBD, says the Chrons and Colitis foundation: https://www.crohnscolitisfound.....icine

Do not be naive.

I'm not naive. My husband has been med free for close to a decade. I'm living it. And I know others who are too.

amother

↑ Babyblue ↓

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 11:01 am

amother [ Yellow ] wrote:

I'm not naive. My husband has been med free for close to a decade. I'm living it. And I know others who are too.

But he isn’t cured. He is symptom free. Whilst that is marvellous and the most any of us with IBD can wish for, the two are very different. I know you didn’t say he is cured, but your previous post implied similar.

Plenty people can go off meds and don’t need to stick to any diet other than regular eating and avoiding foods that cause them flares.

amother

↑ Blue

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 11:06 am

amother [ Babyblue ] wrote:

Sarno is a quack. Alternative cures for IBD are not real. And, as far as ulcerative colitis is concerned, food does NOT cause flares. There is a huge misconception on IBD and alternative treatment. It truly does not exist. And if it's working for you, perhaps you should think you were misdiagnosed.

amother

↑ Babyblue ↓

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 12:07 pm

amother [ Blue ] wrote:

Seeing as I have crohns and I’m on meds, I don’t think I need to worry! (Either you didn’t mean to quote my post or have just jumped to conclusions!)

But yes, even on meds, I find some foods to make me feel worse. Whilst I have never and don’t plan to try any diets to help with my crohns, I do avoid the foods that make me feel unwell.

And I wouldn’t go near sarno either.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 12:22 pm

OP here.

Blue - do you mean that a diet does not work for Crohn's and if a diet does work then it is not Crohn's? That is good news, because the diet has worked for many years, so it is not Crohn's.

So then my question is, does anyone have experience about whether or not Sarno works for a disease that mimics Crohn's and is misdiagnosed as Crohn's but is actually not Crohn's?

It doesn't matter to me if Sarno is a quack or not. I only care about whether or not a disease which has been misdiagnosed as Crohn's can be quacked into going away. I know too many people who were helped by Sarno for other things (myself and dh included and tons of friends), that I don't care if they were quacked into being pain free or were genuinely made pain free or if the pain was a misdiagnosis to begin with. I only care about whether or not anyone has experience with the issue going away after following Sarno.

For example, someone I know was diagnosed or misdiagnosed as having carpel tunnel syndrome. They were told they needed immediate surgery. This diagnosis or misdiagnosis went away after reading Sarno. So if I would come down with carpel tunnel syndrome, I'd try Sarno to check out if the carpel tunnel syndrome diagnosis was actually a misdiagnosis, in which case I could avoid a misdiagnosed surgery.

amother

Linen

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 12:30 pm

I don't know about Crohn's, but I sort of happened upon learning of Sarno (and his method) after already somewhat figuring out the method on my own.

In my own case, which included back pain, I knew I had repressed emotions that I wasn't dealing with. I also knew I did not have any particular physical issue that should be causing this pain.

When I started dealing with them (which meant feeling them), and I cried for 4 days straight (I was going through something very traumatic and stressful), I was exhausted, but no longer in physical pain.

Then, I happened browsing through a random magazine to read about the Sarno method.

I think there are a lot of physical things that are at a minimum exacerbated by how one is or isn't processing emotions, and it's worth exploring that aspect to help live with, if not resolve, the issue.

amother

↑ Babyblue

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 12:53 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

If all the regular diagnostic tests confirmed crohns, how would it have been misdiagnosed?

amother

↑ OP ↓

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 12:58 pm

amother [ Babyblue ] wrote:

If all the regular diagnostic tests confirmed crohns, how would it have been misdiagnosed?

I don't know. Just basing it off of Blue's comment that "if it's working for you, perhaps you should think you were misdiagnosed" and the fact that diet has truly worked for many years.

amother [ Blue ] wrote:

FranticFrummie

Mon, Mar 01 2021, 1:03 pm

It's not a "cure". I don't think anyone is saying it's a cure. With chronic illness, lifelong symptom control is the best you can hope for at the moment - but just because it's not a miracle cure, doesn't mean that it can't help make you feel better.

Treating anything does not have to be either/or. If you have multiple tools in your toolbox, you'd be a fool to only use the hammer.

Meds, monitoring, diet are all important. For some people, any kind of mindfulness or stress management can make a big difference.

Stress causes cortisol levels to rise. Cortisol leads to inflammation. If Dr. Sarno's methods can help you control stress, then all the better! If nothing else, it can't hurt you to be more aware of your stress triggers.

I've been using his methods for chronic pain for years. I've gone from using Oxycodone, to codeine/Tylenol, to naproxyn daily, to almost no pain meds at all. I'm better at "reading" my body, and respecting the cues I am getting.

There will be times of flare ups. That's part of life with chronic illness. If you can keep the flares fewer and farther between, that's a pretty big win in my book.