Children committing terrible crimes

roza ↓

Sun, Jun 05 2005, 3:07 pm

Motek, you can hear it all:

"Alcohol, Drugs, and Morality Among Orthodox Teens"
by Rav Dr. Abraham J. Twerski

http://www.torahweb.org/drugs.html

↑ Motek ↓

Sun, Jun 05 2005, 3:11 pm

What is the point of the book?

↑ roza ↓

Sun, Jun 05 2005, 3:33 pm

Quote:

book

lecture

↑ chavamom ↓

Sun, Jun 05 2005, 5:23 pm

I saw this article today on the aish website: http://www.aish.com/societyWor.....e.asp

Food for thought.

↑ Rochel Leah

Sun, Jun 05 2005, 9:51 pm

Great article, Chava. Thanks for sharing!!

carrot

Sun, Jun 05 2005, 10:35 pm

I once taught a sixteen year old girl (in a school that prided themself on being very sheltered) who started asking me about "the facts of life." her parents did not allow her to read ANY secular book, newspaper or magazine. she knew some things from her friends but she wanted to know more and clear up fact from fiction.

I told her that I could not talk to her about this stuff without clearance from the school / her parents. I told the principal what had happened and she agreed with me that I should call the parents. so I called the mother and told her that her daughter had been asking me this stuff. her mother insisted that her daughter is so innocent, she cannot possibly know anything and so I should not address her questions, so she will stay innocent. the principal (probably afraid of trouble?) told me that yes, the students here are so innocent and sheltered and it could not be that the student had any idea of anything... Rolling Eyes

anyway so I thought the parents here made a big mistake! by the time a girl is sixteen, and she is asking questions, you must answer them, or she will just find out from someone else... they should have been glad she asked a teacher - she probably will not do that again.

↑ Motek ↓

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 1:45 pm

carrot wrote:

I thought the parents here made a big mistake! by the time a girl is sixteen, and she is asking questions, you must answer them, or she will just find out from someone else... they should have been glad she asked a teacher - she probably will not do that again.

big mistake - you're right!

roza - did you listen to it - what point was R' Twerski bringing out?

re the article in the link - see what 15 yr. old Emily has to say in the Comments that follow the article

↑ gryp

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 1:50 pm

boy do I feel bad for that Emily. she doesnt even know how confused she is.

↑ supermom ↓

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 2:09 pm

in some way I agree with emily that sometimes a girl would go behind a parents back and do whatever they were brought up not to do when they find out about some things. but I would defintly not to purposely expose my kids to things like that just because the whole world is doing so.

↑ roza ↓

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 3:15 pm

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roza - did you listen to it - what point was R' Twerski bringing out?

the main point is to stop being in denial and realize that WE have a problem.

↑ Motek ↓

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 3:17 pm

does he offer any solutions?

↑ roza ↓

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 3:24 pm

this IS a solution.

Pickle Lady

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 3:38 pm

Motek wrote:

carrot wrote:

big mistake - you're right!

I actually heard from somewhere don't remember where. Girls in highschool were asking questions to teachers and they weren't answering them. After that alot of girls from that school rebelled and they changed their policy.

I think age and the type of question is important. If the child is asking the question its best that you answer them with something they will be satisfied. who knows who they will go next to.

Funny story. My 12 year old cousin while helping me prepare for a shabbos meal asked me straight out "do jews have relations" shock

she said "my friend told me jews have relations and I told her only non jews do it" shock

I told my cousin that its a big girl topic and its not important for her to know right know but I think that you should ask your mommy more about it. But I didn't leave it at that I told my aunt that she came to me with such and interesting question. Then she told me that my cousin said "fine if jews do it but its not a lubavitch minhag right?"

↑ Motek ↓

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 5:23 pm

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Then she told me that my cousin said "fine if jews do it but its not a lubavitch minhag right?"

Roza - please clarify, are you saying that realizing we have a problem, solves the problem? Do you see that happening in life? I don't.

↑ roza ↓

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 5:55 pm

denial does not help either. so the first step is to recognize that there is a problem and to understand why is it happening. So this is an important part of the solution.

funny story, Pickle Lady

↑ Motek ↓

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 6:05 pm

okay, I got the part that you first have to know there is a problem

but then what?

does R' Twerski offer anything beyond that?

↑ roza ↓

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 6:11 pm

not much, more about why is it happening.

↑ roza

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 6:18 pm

it's 40 min, lecture and u can listen to it yourself- there is a link I gave. I am at work right now Speechless

↑ chavamom

Mon, Jun 06 2005, 7:03 pm

Apparently Emily's original comments have been pulled. The responses to her comments still are there, so I get the jist.

↑ Motek

Wed, Jun 08 2005, 3:43 pm

AweSumThenSum wrote:

a frum high school girl from monsey was raped last week by an illegal immigrant.

Quote:

Same man suspected in attacks on two teens

By STEVE LIEBERMAN
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original Publication: May 26, 2005)

MONSEY — The man who s-xually assaulted a 15-year-old girl after dragging her off a dirt path into the woods behind Pathmark tried to attack a 13-year-old girl the week before, police said yesterday.
Tuesday evening's attack came a week after police said the slightly built man grabbed a girl walking along the same shortcut between the Route 59 shopping center and Brewer Road. She fought off the man, who had grabbed her face from behind, and escaped unharmed about 4 p.m. May 18, police said.

"I think he's a dangerous individual," Ramapo Detective Lt. Brad Weidel said yesterday. "That's why we're pulling out all stops to apprehend him. He's not using a weapon, but he overpowered two young girls."

At 5:30 p.m. Tuesday, the man grabbed the 15-year-old from behind, his hands covering her mouth and face. Her dragged her about 150 yards to a fence near some power lines. The fence separates the woods from the backyards of houses fronting Brewer Road.

The man then s-xually assaulted the girl, and she told police she lost consciousness. Weidel said the girl passed out as a result of fear, because the man tried to strangle her, or both.

When she woke up, the man was gone, and she climbed over the fence, walked to a house and knocked on a door. A resident called the police.

"She had some wounds which would be consistent with being dragged through the woods," Detective Sgt. John Lynch said yesterday, standing along the path with other police investigators.

Police believe the man followed both young girls onto the path, attacking during daylight hours when people regularly use the shortcut.

Police suspect the man possibly rode off on a bicycle from the shopping center's rear parking lot after Tuesday night's attack.

Both girls described him as 5-foot-7 to 5-foot-8, with a thin build and a medium complexion. Both girls told police he wore dark blue clothes, Weidel said.

The first victim said the man wore a blue shirt with a yellow stripe, police said. The second girl said he wore a blue shirt with white stripe, and a baseball cap.

Detectives were working with the first victim on the suspect's description when the second attack occurred. Neither girl could estimate her attacker's age or weight. The victims are working with Clarkstown Police Officer Michael Mullins to complete a composite sketch of the man.

Weidel said doctors took samples from the 15-year-old victim, who was treated at Good Samaritan Hospital. Police hope the samples will provide the man's DNA, which would be run through a national police computer database to determine if there is a match.

"We're working with two young girls here who are scared," Weidel said.

The attacker spoke to the 15-year-old girl, but Wiedel said they were withholding what he said.

More police officers will patrol the area until an arrest is made. Weidel also said 5,000 area residents yesterday received a computerized telephone call through the Rockland Emergency Services Office telling them of the attacks, asking for information and advising people not to walk alone on the path.

Yesterday and Tuesday night, Ramapo police officers and detectives from the Sheriff's Office Bureau of Criminal Investigation searched for clues in the woods and used a police dog to try to pick up the man's scent. Officers, seeking witnesses, also interviewed people walking along the path.

The path, which is littered with garbage, glass and wooden planks, is about 500 yards long, narrowing between several houses fronting Brewer Road. The parking lot's fence allows people access to the path, a compromise made years ago to stop people from cutting holes in the fence.

"People go down this path day and night and have done so for years," Lynch said. "You can't call any area absolutely safe. But we've never had any problems here before this."

Police said the 15-year-old was walking from the shopping center to Brewer Road when she was attacked Tuesday night. The first victim had entered the path on Brewer Road after walking from the Beth Rochel religious school area a block away on Saddle River Road.

Isaac Rommz, 48, of Monsey yesterday said he used the path every day as a shortcut between Brewer Road and Route 59. He said he tutored children in the Monsey community.

"I never felt unsafe and see a lot of people walking here," Rommz said. "We'll do our best to help those hurt."