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Tue, Jul 03 2007, 1:25 pm
First of all, when I hear chassidish, I think of Satmar, Vizhnitz, Belz, etc. When I talk about Lubavitch, I say Lubavitch. And I am pronouncing 'chassidish' as 'chasseedish'.
Regarding cleanliness, chasseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedish homes definitely have a different type of cleanliness than Litvish homes, on average. I am litvish and my house is always (well, usually!) clean, surfaces clear, neat, etc. But many chasseeeeeeeedish homes are sparkling, spanking clean and neat to an extreme.
For example, if my shoes are on the floor of my closet in a pair, I consider that neat. Many chasseedish pple will make sure that they are alligned perfectly and exactly equidistant from other pairs in every direction. This is just a silly example, but you get my point.
Of course you cant generalize everyone, and there are neat and messy people in every group, but there is more of an emphasis and peer pressure for this in chasseedish circles.
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chocolate moose
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Tue, Jul 03 2007, 2:06 pm
I think it's a "focus". Yes, anyone can hire a cleaning lady and anyone can clean, but if it's not your focus or priority, it won't get done.
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suomynona
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Tue, Jul 03 2007, 4:33 pm
chocolate moose wrote: | I think it's a "focus". Yes, anyone can hire a cleaning lady and anyone can clean, but if it's not your focus or priority, it won't get done. |
exactly. I don't see what's so hard to understand that there are different priorities in diff societies and cultures and in the chassidish world, housekeeping is a high priority. It makes sense, being that most women don't work, and women aren't encouraged to take up intellectual pursuits. I'm litvish and I wouldn't say that it's such a high priority, even though I can't speak for any individual (I personally am not a good housekeeper). In sem, we were taught that it's better to hire someone to do the housework and learn a sefer instead.
(And btw I never heard of "chassidish" being pronounced any other way than "chaseedish" except in that rock song someone posted a couple of years ago. I definitely don't think of chabad when I hear the word chassidish. Chabad is its own category)
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chocolate moose
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Tue, Jul 03 2007, 4:44 pm
That is correct, but Chabad is Chabad chassidus and the others are chagas. But they are both chasidus. Just different types.
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creativemommyto3
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Tue, Jul 03 2007, 4:53 pm
suomynona wrote: | chocolate moose wrote: | I think it's a "focus". Yes, anyone can hire a cleaning lady and anyone can clean, but if it's not your focus or priority, it won't get done. |
exactly. I don't see what's so hard to understand that there are different priorities in diff societies and cultures and in the chassidish world, housekeeping is a high priority. It makes sense, being that most women don't work, and women aren't encouraged to take up intellectual pursuits. I'm litvish and I wouldn't say that it's such a high priority, even though I can't speak for any individual (I personally am not a good housekeeper). In sem, we were taught that it's better to hire someone to do the housework and learn a sefer instead.
(And btw I never heard of "chassidish" being pronounced any other way than "chaseedish" except in that rock song someone posted a couple of years ago. I definitely don't think of chabad when I hear the word chassidish. Chabad is its own category) |
Wouldn't it be better to hire help and read a torah story to your kids? Although when I do have time I learn hilchos shmiras halashon.
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amother
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Tue, Jul 03 2007, 5:08 pm
[quote="suomynona
(And btw I never heard of "chassidish" being pronounced any other way than "chaseedish" except in that rock song someone posted a couple of years ago. I definitely don't think of chabad when I hear the word chassidish. Chabad is its own category)[/quote]
And I was taught if you dont have time to daven then you can talk to hashem while ironing. (yes chaseeeedish)
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creativemommyto3
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Tue, Jul 03 2007, 5:19 pm
That's a sweet idea! You put me in the mood to iron a shirt for shabbos for my husband! (I never iron !)
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amother
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Tue, Jul 03 2007, 7:50 pm
yes by chassidim its definetly a priority.
When my mother finds out information on a girl she asks if the mother is a balabusta. Sher looks for middos, intellect in a girl. But if her mother didn't keep a clean house she assumes the girl wont either.
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chocolate moose
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Tue, Jul 03 2007, 8:03 pm
amother wrote: | yBut if her mother didn't keep a clean house she assumes the girl wont either. |
Don't know about that . . . but if she didn't have an example ........
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batya_d
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Tue, Jul 03 2007, 10:39 pm
chocolate moose wrote: | the better, more exact term to use would be Chabad chassidus and Chagas chassidus. |
Nobody outside Chabad used the term "Chagas Chassidus". Several posters, including OP have mentioned already that when they said Chassidish they were specifically referring to NOT CHABAD, which everyone agrees is more modern and there's little mystery to it, since most people have access to Chabad life, as opposed to Satmar, Ger, etc.
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greenfire
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Wed, Jul 04 2007, 1:17 am
chabad is definately chassidish ...
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TzenaRena
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Wed, Jul 04 2007, 1:48 am
batya_d wrote: | Nobody outside Chabad used the term "Chagas Chassidus". | The more you know about and become expert in a subject, the more specialized your vocabulary about that subject becomes....
for example, most of us will ask "is it going to rain?" But if you are a student of meteorology, you will speak about different types of precipitation, relative humidity, air currents, wind patterns, etc.
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creativemommyto3
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Wed, Jul 04 2007, 2:07 am
batya_d wrote: | chocolate moose wrote: | the better, more exact term to use would be Chabad chassidus and Chagas chassidus. |
Nobody outside Chabad used the term "Chagas Chassidus". Several posters, including OP have mentioned already that when they said Chassidish they were specifically referring to NOT CHABAD, which everyone agrees is more modern and there's little mystery to it, since most people have access to Chabad life, as opposed to Satmar, Ger, etc. |
Chabad is not a mystery b/c they have a website on the www and books that a readily available in all languages, as apposed to the other chassiduses who don't do this.
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TzenaRena
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Wed, Jul 04 2007, 2:17 am
arita, did you ever wonder why this was so?
and what is the meaning of mystery here?
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chocolate moose
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Wed, Jul 04 2007, 11:08 am
batya_d wrote: | chocolate moose wrote: | the better, more exact term to use would be Chabad chassidus and Chagas chassidus. |
Nobody outside Chabad used the term "Chagas Chassidus". Several posters, including OP have mentioned already that when they said Chassidish they were specifically referring to NOT CHABAD, which everyone agrees is more modern and there's little mystery to it, since most people have access to Chabad life, as opposed to Satmar, Ger, etc. |
In the olden days, Lub wasn't the only chabad chassidus; there were others that have died out since then. The term chassidus, in the vernacular if you will, has come to mean Polish/Hungarian; which are ALL Chagas.
As TR says, the more you know.........
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gryp
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Wed, Jul 04 2007, 11:19 am
Do other Chasidim have Chasidishe Yomim Tovim like we do?
Have the other Rebbeim- the ones that were in Russia- been to jail and such for mesiras nefesh in spreading Yiddishkeit?
Do you celebrate birthdays and Yahrtzeits of your Rebbeim and Rebbetzins?
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sarahd
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Wed, Jul 04 2007, 11:23 am
What does that have to do with anything being discussed in this thread?
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chocolate moose
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Wed, Jul 04 2007, 11:23 am
GR wrote: | Do other Chasidim have Chasidishe Yomim Tovim like we do?
Have the other Rebbeim- the ones that were in Russia- been to jail and such for mesiras nefesh in spreading Yiddishkeit?
Do you celebrate birthdays and Yahrtzeits of your Rebbeim and Rebbetzins? |
They def. hve their own yomim toivim, GR. I don't think they have birthdays, though, and certainly not for the Rebbetzins, from what my coworkers tell me - the boys are often named for their rebbes but the girls are not named for the rebbetzins.
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amother
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Wed, Jul 04 2007, 11:26 am
Quote: | Do other Chasidim have Chasidishe Yomim Tovim like we do? |
Like what??
Quote: | Do you celebrate birthdays and Yahrtzeits of your Rebbeim and Rebbetzins? |
Birthdays not, yartzeits yes (not rebitzen's though).
But what are you trying to say?
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