Ferguson murder began by victim walking in gutter? Wo!

↑ Barbara ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 5:35 pm

gold21 wrote:

One thing u can all know about me is that when it comes to stories like these, I don't have an agenda. I'm not republican or democrat. Not racist, don't care about stuff like that, just want everyone to have a fair and equal shot at becoming successful contributing members of society. Not against chassidim, have no issue with MO. So I look at a story based on logic and facts alone, with no agenda. However, I feel that posters who tend to lean liberal are automatically going to support the "underdog" in this case, which apparently u feel is Mike Brown. So your viewpoint is slanted.

Yeah. Anyone who disagrees with you must be prejudiced. Must be ignoring the evidence.

You know me? Because of what my father did for a living, he spent a lot of time with police officers, including local police and state police. Over the years, most of his friends have been police officers. One of my father's closest friends was shot in the line of duty, and another officer was killed saving him. I have an almost genetic disposition to defend cops.

Just not when an unarmed teenager was shot 7 or 8 times. When there is evidence he had his arms up. That's when I say there should have been an indictment. And a trial.

↑ gold21 ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 5:45 pm

Barbara wrote:

No, the fact that you disagree with ME doesn't make u prejudiced- the fact that you disagree with facts and logic means your viewpoint must be slanted

That's nice about your father Cool

I personally kinda hate cops LOL. specially NYPD. I doubt Wilson was a squeaky-clean guy. He probably had an overconfident attitude (just a hunch).

That doesn't change the facts.

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 5:51 pm

gold21 wrote:

No, the fact that you disagree with ME doesn't make u prejudiced- the fact that you disagree with facts and logic means your viewpoint must be slanted

That's nice about your father Cool

I personally kinda hate cops LOL. specially NYPD. I doubt Wilson was a squeaky-clean guy. He probably had an overconfident attitude (just a hunch).

That doesn't change the facts.

Just curious, why do you hate cops?

↑ Barbara ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 5:51 pm

gold21 wrote:

No, the fact that you disagree with ME doesn't make u prejudiced- the fact that you disagree with facts and logic means your viewpoint must be slanted

That's nice about your father Cool

I personally kinda hate cops LOL. specially NYPD. I doubt Wilson was a squeaky-clean guy. He probably had an overconfident attitude (just a hunch).

That doesn't change the facts.

Again, you're cherry picking evidence. But I'm done arguing it's people like you, who think that it's ok to shoot unarmed teens 7 times because he looked scary.

↑ gold21 ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 6:01 pm

mommy2b2c wrote:

Just curious, why do you hate cops?

Cuz... why would they pull over a law-abiding citizen who follows all the rules, etc, for forgetting to put on a blinker to turn right when the street ends anyway and everyone has to turn either right or left. And there are no cars behind to see your blinker.... ya know, stuff like that... LOL. Part of life but annoying. Wink

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 6:02 pm

Barbara wrote:

Again, you're cherry picking evidence. But I'm done arguing it's people like you, who think that it's ok to shoot unarmed teens 7 times because he looked scary.

I don't know why I'm bothering to argue, but he didn't get shot because he looked scary. He got shot because he assaulted a police officer, grabbed for his gun, and then charged at him when being told to surrender. The only thing about this story that begs a question is why seven times? It does seem excessive. However, according to the evidence, Michael brown kept charging forward even after being shot. The police officer kept fearing for his life, so he kept shooting.

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 6:04 pm

gold21 wrote:

Oh. I hate those kinds of cops too. But from my experience, most of them are not like that. And I'm really grateful for the good ones who do put their lives on the line to protect our city. (And also, I love blue bloods Smile

. )

↑ marina ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 6:30 pm

DrMom wrote:

Maybe I missed it but I don't think anyone here assumed that ALL African-Americans in Ferguson are rioting looters.

This is what moonstone wrote and what I was responding to:

Quote:

What I find really disgusting is that the black community is using all of this as an excuse to loot and destroy businesses in their own community. Reminds me of the Rodney King incident. You're angry, I get that, but in what universe is looting the correct response? Id be ashamed to be a black person from Ferguson right now.

She went on to clarify that she's not unhappy with all blacks, just the ones in Ferguson.

And I stand by what I said. You want all blacks to feel shame because some idiots looted a bunch of stores, first you feel some shame about whatever **** white women in your town are doing lately.

vintagebknyc ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 6:32 pm

gold21 wrote:

I'm not sure what you're saying- u believe the jury had no influence on the not-guilty verdict?

you seem not to grasp what happened, because there was no "not-guilty" verdict.

the evidence of the case went to a grand jury and once they heard it, the grand jury decided not to prosecute. big difference. (and if you know anything about what using a grand jury entails, you might want to tell the lawyers who convened this one that they violated standard rules of law, laws that were handed down by antonin scalia in the 70s.)

↑ vintagebknyc ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 6:32 pm

mommy2b2c wrote:

. )

you must not live in NYC, the NYPD is terrifying.

↑ marina ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 6:33 pm

moonstone wrote:

Took the words right out of my mouth. What does one incidence of bad behavior have to do with the other? Yes, I'm ashamed of those Jews even though the only thing we have in common is that we are both have "jewish" on our teudat zehut (id). So now am I allowed to think that blacks in Ferguson should be ashamed that too many in their community are using the whole Michael brown incident as an excuse to steal TV s? I didn't say I'd feel RESPONSIBLE for the criminal behavior of my neighbors if I was from Ferguson, just that I'd feel shame. What's so radical about that? Looking through the rest of this thread, I see that marina is galloping around on her high horse, desperate to find racism even where none exists.

I really don't get why you brought Jews into this discussion, marina. Turned the thread down a really stupid and irrelevant path.

Oh, I am so desperate to find racism where it doesn't exist. Lol. That's rich.

I brought Jews into this discussion because people are usually very happy to judge others a bit harsher than they judge themselves.

Why on earth would you feel shame for your neighbors' criminal behavior if you didn't feel RESPONSIBLE? Why should I feel shame for some white person who commits a crime in my town? Why? Answer that.

↑ marina ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 6:41 pm

Tamir Rice, a 12 year old kid in Cleveland was killed last week by a cop who thought his bb gun was a real weapon.

If it was my son in his kippa playing with that gun, do you think he'd be dead now? No. The worst that would have happened is that the cop would have brought him home and said: the bb gun doesn't have the required orange tab on it, please don't let him play with it until you fix it. Thanks and have a nice day officer.

But this parent is burying her child this week. Because our children's skin color is different.

↑ shoshanim999 ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 7:33 pm

This debate is ridiculous. The reason why people don't respect the black community as a whole is because as a group they are involved in more criminal activity, they are less educated, have more babies out of wedlock than any other ethnic or religious group. As I said be4, 70% of black babies r born to single teenage mothers. 1 out of every 6 black adults above age 40 has been incarcerated. While blacks make up around 12% of the population, they count for 40% of the prison population. In anyone suggesting that as a whole orthodox jews behave this way??? Also, I'm having a hard time believing that blacks care about their own when there is an epidemic of violence and murder going on in their communities without a single word from their leaders. No, they don't care.

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 7:35 pm

marina wrote:

I wouldn't say that the word is ashamed, but I feel upset when Jews behave badly, because I am worried that people will judge me by their behavior just because I happen to be Jewish. People tend to stereotype even when their is no basis for it.

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 7:39 pm

marina wrote:

While that story is truly heart wrenching. It's not because of that boys skin color, but because of the actions of other people of that skin color. It's terrible that there is racial profiling, but unfortunately there is a reason for it. It's a tough dilemma, with no satisfactory answer. However, I will repeat once again. Michael brown was not killed because of his skin color, but because he assaulted a police officer. If he was white, the same thing would have happened, but nobody would have rioted.

↑ marina ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 8:02 pm

shoshanim999 wrote:

This is what you sound like:

http://truthtellers.org/alerts......html

↑ marina ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 8:03 pm

mommy2b2c wrote:

Do you understand that whites who don't comply with police officers' directions are not as likely to end up dead as blacks who don't comply?