Ferguson murder began by victim walking in gutter? Wo!

↑ southernbubby ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 1:59 pm

the world's best mom wrote:

To say I am dishonest because there are some dishonest Jews would be ridiculous. To call some references and ask about my honesty to ensure I am not from that background would be understandable, though I would know it's unnecessary because in my community, that dishonesty does not exist. I can be innocent unless proven guilty even if you will check into my history just to make sure. The same should be okay with African Americans.

I would like to know how many dishonest Jews there are in each thousand (based on a random sample of Jews from all types of Jewish communities), in comparison with how many black criminals there are in each thousand. I would think there is a major difference in the numbers. However, antisemitism is in vogue, while racial profiling is illegal. Go figure.

To me the answer to that is that Jews stand for truth and honesty. African Americans often belong to religious groups that stress truth and honesty but African American refers to a race rather than a religion. An African American can be a very religious person who would never transgress the 10 commandments or can be a totally irreligious person who loots and destroys. Whatever we do, however, is supposed to represent the Torah.

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 2:12 pm

southernbubby wrote:

http://www.aish.com/ci/s/The-Ferguson-Riots-A-Non-Political-Lesson.html

This clip tries to use the riots as a springboard for self analysis. We could all use the lessons of the riots and apply them to ourselves as individuals and collectively. This guy talks about the disconnect between the sadness and horror of a teenage boy being shot and the killer exonerated and the pillage, looting and theft that occurred. We also compartmentalize different parts of our behavior. Collectively, on the one hand, we are all about Torah learning, tzedukah and chessed and on the other hand, some things that we do have caused chillul Hashem. On a personal level, we believe in tzedukah, chessed, and ahavas Yisroel and often behave the opposite way to those we are supposed to care about and love.

I'm sad for his parents that their son died. But "killer exonerated" is a bit harsh. He was killed in self defense, let's not pretend that he was murdered in cold blood.

Cookie Monster

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 2:29 pm

southernbubby wrote:

Not every irreligious person loots and destroys. Just sayin'

Barbara ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 4:09 pm

mommy2b2c wrote:

I'm sad for his parents that their son died. But "killer exonerated" is a bit harsh. He was killed in self defense, let's not pretend that he was murdered in cold blood.

Let's not pretend he wasn't killed in cold blood.

And let's not pretend that the prosecutor, who hasn't indicted a police officer in over 20 years, didn't do his damnedest to make sure there was no prosecution.

The old joke is that a DA can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. So why couldn't he get an indictment on Wilson? There was eye witness testimony that he had his hands in the air when he was shot. Once. Twice. Three time. Four times. Five times. Six times. Seven times. Maybe eight times. Last shot fatal.

How much danger do you think this unarmed teen was after being shot 4 times?

And it's not just Michael Brown. It's the feeling of fear that the Afican American community has. Fear of being arrested, or killed, for the crime of walking or driving while black. Whatever else Brown did, this all started with Wilson confronting him for walking in the street. WALKING IN THE STREET. When I was in college, I worked with a black guy, 6'3", a good 250 pounds. He was walking home one night when cops grabbed him, cuffed him, threw him in the back of a squad car, because they hard a black guy had committed a crime. The criminal was half my friend's size, as they told him when they let him go. But no one bothered to check before grabbing him. I don't have to worry about that with my son. I don't worry he'll be grabbed because a white guy mugged someone. And I cannot imagine how it must feel to worry about things like that.

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 4:15 pm

Barbara wrote:

The witnesses changed their testimony. Many admitted they were lying or made up things to fit the media. Many of their lies were proven to be lies. I feel bad for any black that feels that they have to worry that police will arrest then for no reason. I feel really bad for your friend. Michael brown assaulted a police officer and ended up getting killed. Sad that it happened, but highly likely you will get killed if you assault a police officer. Be smart and don't attack people. Michael brown was not murdered but killed in self defense. Argue with the facts if you wish. They are still facts.

↑ mazal555 ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 4:27 pm

gold21 wrote:

Not lumping anyone together and have no wise words on the subject

But- how do all these protesters have so much time to protest? Are they all unemployed? Really odd to me.

A lot are unemployed. You can check unemployment rates by race. Although not all the protesters are minorities, far from it. And furthermore, it is Thanksgiving weekend so many employed people are off and virtually all students.

Also, many people feel this is an important issue and would use vacation days to do something constructive about it.

↑ Barbara ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 4:39 pm

gold21 wrote:

Agree with mommy2b2c

Come on. It wasn't a cold blooded murder. Michael Brown charged the officer. Argue with the facts much?

There was conflicting testimony. Many people said he stumbled forward when he was shot.

You're cherry picking facts to support your conclusions.

Wilson fired a dozen shots at an unarmed teen. That teen was hit 7 or 8 times. But you're sure that each of those dozen shots -- since the last was fatal -- was in self defense. Why are you so sure of that?

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 4:52 pm

Barbara wrote:

Let's just say I am cherry picking facts. What would you say you're doing?

↑ PinkFridge ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 4:54 pm

marina wrote:

May I recommend you google constructive responses to Ferguson before posting this assumption that NO ONE is doing or advocating anything? I'm sure you don't really think that no people anywhere are doing anything but encouraging looters.

That's great to hear! I can't get NPR in the house and AirAmerica is long gone. Regrettably this doesn't rate for CBS news. I am heartened, and not surprised to hear this. Maybe the scale it's happening on has to be ramped up a bit?

↑ gold21 ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 5:04 pm

One thing u can all know about me is that when it comes to stories like these, I don't have an agenda. I'm not republican or democrat. Not racist, don't care about stuff like that, just want everyone to have a fair and equal shot at becoming successful contributing members of society. Not against chassidim, have no issue with MO. So I look at a story based on logic and facts alone, with no agenda. However, I feel that posters who tend to lean liberal are automatically going to support the "underdog" in this case, which apparently u feel is Mike Brown. So your viewpoint is slanted.

↑ Barbara ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 5:24 pm

gold21 wrote:

Barbara, better question- why are u so sure that the facts that you are cherry picking are accurate? Seeing as a court of law (which included a jury of regular citizens) back up MY facts.

I never said I was sure about what happened, other than that there was more than a sufficient evidence for an indictment. You're the one who is sure that Wilson was justified in shooting an unarmed teenager a dozen times. How do you dismiss out of hand all of the evidence that he had his hands in the air. That he simply stumbled forward after being shot.

The job of the prosecutor was to present only evidence against him. The grand jury had no right to weigh evidence. This was all a travesty.

↑ mommy3b2c ↓

Sun, Nov 30 2014, 5:30 pm

gold21 wrote:

Same with me. Although, I am di finitely more conservative leaning, I am somewhere in the middle. I am completely not racist, and never really take sides. I defend both chassidim and mo. And, I like everybody until they prove themselves unlikable. In this case, after listening to he facts, I have come to the conclusion that Michael brown was in fact, not a "gentle giant", and that the police officer believed he was acting in self defense. I really could not care less what color anybody's skin was/is.