Nechemya Weberman charged with abusing 12 yr old girl

↑ Clarissa ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 3:28 pm

Tzutzie wrote:

Ruchel wrote:

marina wrote:

Quote:

this is what I heard - She had a stalker she couldn't get loose, so she went to weberman to complain and made a restraining order on him. later on, she changed her mind and wanted him as a bf, he, her then bf, wanted to get back at him (weberman) so this whole scandal came out of it.

Yeah, he looks just like the hunky boyfriend that every preteen dreams of.

Wait, he also molested a guy?

him - meaning the stalker

Stop. I mean it. Stop. Stop calling that kid a stalker. Stop spreading ****. Stop. Go out, take a walk. When you come home, sign on if you want and post a recipe for something on the recipe board. What you're doing is deplorable.

↑ Barbara ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 3:57 pm

Clarissa wrote:

PROUDPEACOCK wrote:

victims of Williamsburg know what to do. I was personally involved in a case where an uncle abused his niece, The girl spoke, the rabbis took care. The guy is taken care of. End of story. The sad part is that people will think twice before getting involved to help other people with their problems and that is Nuchem Rosenbergs win win here.

The rabbis took care how? Turned him in to the police, I hope. Maybe castrated him on the way to the precinct house, for good measure?

Don't be silly. They told him to go molest kids in a different community. As long as its not in their backyard, its OK.

↑ Clarissa ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 4:00 pm

Barbara wrote:

Clarissa wrote:

PROUDPEACOCK wrote:

The rabbis took care how? Turned him in to the police, I hope. Maybe castrated him on the way to the precinct house, for good measure?

Don't be silly. They told him to go molest kids in a different community. As long as its not in their backyard, its OK.

He's not molesting kids. He's molesting "rebellious kids" who will complain because of somebody's agenda. And so on.

↑ Raisin ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 4:09 pm

Barbara wrote:

Clarissa wrote:

PROUDPEACOCK wrote:

The rabbis took care how? Turned him in to the police, I hope. Maybe castrated him on the way to the precinct house, for good measure?

Don't be silly. They told him to go molest kids in a different community. As long as its not in their backyard, its OK.

I can well imagine that the guy got a good beating, and was maybe chased out of town. But no guarantee that he didn't carry on somewhere else.

↑ Mama Bear ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 4:09 pm

PEOPLE.... CHILL. Reading this thread is like reading a game of broken telephone. Youre all taking each others' posts out of context and building up a huge mountain of molehills here.... I am going to prepare supper now and then come back and write an essay explaining everything as I understand it, and hopefully, most of the misinformation and mudslinging here WILL STOP. Please, people, chill until you've heard out my voice of reason. I believe I'm perfectly well balanced between loving and defending my community and being realistic about the big bad world out there, unlike many of the other local yokels posting here. So give me an hour or so and I'll write my thoughts. K? Til then, please behave and can the insults and rhetoric.

Over and out. Peace.

↑ imamiri ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 4:10 pm

Clarissa wrote:

Barbara wrote:

Clarissa wrote:

PROUDPEACOCK wrote:

The rabbis took care how? Turned him in to the police, I hope. Maybe castrated him on the way to the precinct house, for good measure?

Don't be silly. They told him to go molest kids in a different community. As long as its not in their backyard, its OK.

He's not molesting kids. He's molesting "rebellious kids" who will complain because of somebody's agenda. And so on.

Rebellious kids.....what passes for rebellion in these communities? Asking questions?

↑ imamiri ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 4:13 pm

Raisin wrote:

Barbara wrote:

Clarissa wrote:

PROUDPEACOCK wrote:

The rabbis took care how? Turned him in to the police, I hope. Maybe castrated him on the way to the precinct house, for good measure?

Don't be silly. They told him to go molest kids in a different community. As long as its not in their backyard, its OK.

I can well imagine that the guy got a good beating, and was maybe chased out of town. But no guarantee that he didn't carry on somewhere else.

Chased out of town does no good. He just ends up elsewhere and because they refused to do it the right way, he's not on any registry then either.

↑ StrawberrySmoothie ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 4:23 pm

Why exactly do they need to raise money for him? Seems like he made a nice living off of "counseling" especially since he did not have any student loans to pay off.

There are a million people out there who are suffering from poverty and homeless. Or not even homeless, but close to it, lets raise money for them. Or for victims to go to therapy.

It's time to get real.

↑ Clarissa ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 4:25 pm

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

sky ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 4:57 pm

Clarissa wrote:

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

I know nothing about this particular case.

But doesn't he deserve to have a fair trial, and that means having a lawyer. I think having a fundraiser is wrong, but what is wrong with those believing he is innocent to give him money.

We are assuming he charged such large amounts based on what people are saying. Others are saying it was free. Why believe one over the other? Maybe he charged lots, maybe nothing. Maybe he really can't afford any lawyer and would rather not use what the gov't would give him and maybe he can afford a lawyer and people are being silly. Why are you choosing who to believe?

If it was a close family member of yours and you believed in his innocence wouldn't you do everything possible to help? Do you understand their pov? I do? The sad thing is that even if any accused molester is found innocent in the end no one would still let their children within 100 ft of him and that I find to be sad (I wouldn't either)

↑ Orchid ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 5:06 pm

Not taking sides is THE SAME THING as not taking action against a possible rodef (al pi din). That 's equivalent to Switzerland not accepting fleeing Jews into their country during WWII because they didn't want to "take sides."

Not "taking sides" is actually against halacha because then by failing to protect abused children you would be over on lo saamod al dam reiacha.

Not "taking sides" is the equivalent of doing nothing.... and we all know what flourishes when good men do nothing....

↑ sky ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 5:08 pm

Orchid wrote:

But if you read a lot of the quotes they are saying "don't give him money". I don't understand why not? Lets say he does need it? People are assuming he was paid lots of money. Why are they assuming that?

why take his side over hers. Do you know the details? Was he found guilty in court? What inside details do you have that allow you to take sides. Why did you choose to be on her side and not his?

If someone is found guilty then yes I would have a side. HE WAS NOT FOUND GUILTY YET IN A COURT OF LAW.

everyone always says go to the police and courts and let them handle it. When that is done, it is as if the person is guilty. Even the newspapers would say alleged...

↑ sky ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 5:12 pm

Orchid wrote:

if your dh was ch'v accused and you knew there was no possible way it happened Whose side would you be on.
Why wouldn't you be following your above advice?

↑ StrawberrySmoothie ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 5:22 pm

Honey, I'm in middle of a divorce. To date, my legal fees have costed over $40,000. No one raised this money for me. We didn't host tzedaka parties. Yes, my parents paid for it. But if they didn't have that extra money sitting around (most people don't) I would have used legal aid. No one is "entitled" to the top lawyers. You use what YOU can afford. It just seems silly when there are millions of other worthy orginizations that actually do good.

↑ sky ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 5:28 pm

StrawberrySmoothie wrote:

I don't see what is wrong to raise money to pay for better counsel. I think doing it in such a public manner is insensitive and wrong. But collecting the money - ok.
Sometimes using the gov't appointed counsel is an automatic guilty sentence. That is not fair either.

You would tell a women whose children would most likely be given to an ex if she used public counsel not to raise the money?

↑ StrawberrySmoothie ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 5:36 pm

Would have used legal aid if I didn't have parents to support me. No we would not have collected. The option is there, its not like he won't be represented.

Methinks it was more of a publicity stunt than a desperate need for money.

↑ ora_43 ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 5:41 pm

Orchid wrote:

"Not taking sides" as in we, the laypeople who know nothing about the case other than what we've seen in the papers, shouldn't be declaring guilt or innocence before there's a verdict.

Not "not taking sides" as in, everybody should just stay out of it and let the grown self-proclaimed therapist and the child he raped deal with this on their own, chv"s. Of course there needs to be intervention, and judgement. It's just a question of who hands down the judgement and when.

↑ Orchid ↓

Thu, May 17 2012, 5:45 pm

sky wrote:

Orchid wrote:

if your dh was ch'v accused and you knew there was no possible way it happened Whose side would you be on.
Why wouldn't you be following your above advice?

When you say "no possible way" you mean during the 12 hour secluded trips to the mountains in blatant violation of hilchos yichud and therapy standards?

Most people would not have an issue if these "rallies" were simply to collect money for his defense, when you all know it's done simply to demonize the girl. The issue is that when you CLAIM you're not taking sides, you are essentially not taking steps to protect molested victims, since you claim that would be "taking sides." Again, Switzerland comes to mind. If they let Jews find haven in their land, that would be taking their side over the Nazis. And we can't have taking sides, can we?