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chocolate moose
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 Sun, Oct 25 2009, 9:01 am
| amother wrote: | | I do not apply makeup on Shabbos and most of my makeup usually stays on most of Shabbos. Some people's skin holds onto makeup better than others, especially if it's applied well. However, makeup that still looks dewy/glossy is unlikely from the night before. To be dan lekaf zechus though, maybe they have their non-jewish neighbor/cleaner, etc. apply it for them. Personally, I don't it's right to do that, but it's certainly better than doing it themselves. |
With very few exceptions, you can't have a non Jew do you for you on shabobs/yomtov what you can't do yourslef. Makeup is not one of them.
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shalhevet
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 9:07 am
| chocolate moose wrote: | | amother wrote: | | I do not apply makeup on Shabbos and most of my makeup usually stays on most of Shabbos. Some people's skin holds onto makeup better than others, especially if it's applied well. However, makeup that still looks dewy/glossy is unlikely from the night before. To be dan lekaf zechus though, maybe they have their non-jewish neighbor/cleaner, etc. apply it for them. Personally, I don't it's right to do that, but it's certainly better than doing it themselves. |
With very few exceptions, you can't have a non Jew do you for you on shabobs/yomtov what you can't do yourslef. Makeup is not one of them. |
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It would still be an issur midrabanan of amira legoy.
A [gentile] is only allowed to do something for you that you can do for yourself, but you don't have to tell them how to do it. So, for example, you can ask a [gentile] to bring you a book from a dark room, and if he turns on the light to see what he is doing that's his business. Or you can ask your cleaning lady to wash the dishes, and it's up to her if she uses a Shabbos sponge or a regular one.
The only exceptions are things needed by someone ill, even if not seriously ill - and that includes heat/AC for anyone if the weather is very, very cold/hot and anything for a young child.
I didn't notice putting on make-up (which is a Torah issur by the way for the amother who said she puts it on) was in any of those categories.
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amother
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 9:20 am
I just put on my make-up in the morning.
Figure it's in the same category as putting on a brooch.
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Sherri
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 9:24 am
| amother wrote: | I just put on my make-up in the morning.
Figure it's in the same category as putting on a brooch. |
Do you realize that's being mechalel Shabbos?
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octopus
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 9:25 am
YES, makeup can stay on perfectly for a shabbos. I have done it before. It means sleeping very lightly, eating very carefully, and basically being miserable. I used to do it all the time when I was single. And then I had to be careful that my natural hair stayed good as well! It didn't work as well on very humid shabbosim. Now if you told me it stayed perfect for a 3 day yom tov, I would be suspect.
eyeshadow- mine stays on-put a foundation for eyeshadow underneath it.
lipstick- be careful what you eat. how you eat. don't let your lips touch a spoon or fork. eat very daintily!
I also wash my face very carefully-splash a little water on my face and dab very carefully.
anyway- I should say I USED to do this. I don't go anywhere on shabbos anymore, and it is really torturous to go back to discomfort once you are used to comfort.
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canadamom
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 9:35 am
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if you want your makeup to stay fresh for shabbos morning: wear long lasting mascara and lipstick and put a slip over your pillow (or sleep on a silky pillow case) works every time
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entropy
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 9:38 am
| shalhevet wrote: | | chocolate moose wrote: | | amother wrote: | | I do not apply makeup on Shabbos and most of my makeup usually stays on most of Shabbos. Some people's skin holds onto makeup better than others, especially if it's applied well. However, makeup that still looks dewy/glossy is unlikely from the night before. To be dan lekaf zechus though, maybe they have their non-jewish neighbor/cleaner, etc. apply it for them. Personally, I don't it's right to do that, but it's certainly better than doing it themselves. |
With very few exceptions, you can't have a non Jew do you for you on shabobs/yomtov what you can't do yourslef. Makeup is not one of them. |
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It would still be an issur midrabanan of amira legoy.
A [gentile] is only allowed to do something for you that you can do for yourself, but you don't have to tell them how to do it. So, for example, you can ask a [gentile] to bring you a book from a dark room, and if he turns on the light to see what he is doing that's his business. Or you can ask your cleaning lady to wash the dishes, and it's up to her if she uses a Shabbos sponge or a regular one.
The only exceptions are things needed by someone ill, even if not seriously ill - and that includes heat/AC for anyone if the weather is very, very cold/hot and anything for a young child.
I didn't notice putting on make-up (which is a Torah issur by the way for the amother who said she puts it on) was in any of those categories. |
I'm making this up right now, but if I told a [gentile] to "make me look nice" and the [gentile] uses makeup, would that not fall under the first category?
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shalhevet
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 9:45 am
| entropy wrote: | | shalhevet wrote: | | chocolate moose wrote: | | amother wrote: | | I do not apply makeup on Shabbos and most of my makeup usually stays on most of Shabbos. Some people's skin holds onto makeup better than others, especially if it's applied well. However, makeup that still looks dewy/glossy is unlikely from the night before. To be dan lekaf zechus though, maybe they have their non-jewish neighbor/cleaner, etc. apply it for them. Personally, I don't it's right to do that, but it's certainly better than doing it themselves. |
With very few exceptions, you can't have a non Jew do you for you on shabobs/yomtov what you can't do yourslef. Makeup is not one of them. |
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It would still be an issur midrabanan of amira legoy.
A [gentile] is only allowed to do something for you that you can do for yourself, but you don't have to tell them how to do it. So, for example, you can ask a [gentile] to bring you a book from a dark room, and if he turns on the light to see what he is doing that's his business. Or you can ask your cleaning lady to wash the dishes, and it's up to her if she uses a Shabbos sponge or a regular one.
The only exceptions are things needed by someone ill, even if not seriously ill - and that includes heat/AC for anyone if the weather is very, very cold/hot and anything for a young child.
I didn't notice putting on make-up (which is a Torah issur by the way for the amother who said she puts it on) was in any of those categories. |
I'm making this up right now, but if I told a [gentile] to "make me look nice" and the [gentile] uses makeup, would that not fall under the first category? |
entropy, I'm sure you look really nice without make up too. 
To clarify: the [gentile] is not allowed to do a melacha for you, only for himself. So when you ask him to bring you a book, he puts on the light for his own benefit, or he uses a regular sponge to make washing the dishes easier.
Now, unless this was a male [gentile] and he wanted you to look stunning.... (and then we might have a tznius problem  )
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entropy
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 10:07 am
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you got me, I abhor makeup. (I did wear some on my wedding though.)
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imasinger
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 10:20 am
Just a note: It's a good idea to go without makeup occasionally on Shabbos or yom tov, so that if you ever have a mikvah night, it won't be unusual for you to be seen that way.
And a side question for JudyJudith -- why would it be more OK to smear mayo or some other oil on the lips than to use gloss? It's not like it just got there from sloppy eating, so wouldn't it be just as assur? Ignorant on the subject here, so please help me understand.
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Pooh
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 10:21 am
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when I was single I used to put on mascara for shabat, (waterproof) and by the morning I simply washed off with my finger around the eye where it ran, and with a few drops of water on the side of my finger I "brushed up" the hairs of my eyelashes upward, and the mascara looks as if I just applied it that moment.
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Mommy3.5
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 10:22 am
My mother does not reapply, she looks great on day 3 of YT. I all my makeup is gone by the first morning. Being a stomach sleeper doesn't help me.
My mother sleeps on her back and doesn't move.
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amother
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:26 am
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OP here. It's the super perfect lipstick that I am wondering about. Everything else, I can see staying on somewhat.
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Sherri
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:30 am
| amother wrote: | | OP here. It's the super perfect lipstick that I am wondering about. Everything else, I can see staying on somewhat. | I wear long-lasting lipstick that stays, but you probably want to know how it looks so dewy... mine doesn't.
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amother
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:36 am
I am the poster a few after you who said I think that anyone who says their makeup stays on that long "ITS B.S."
I still think that...silk shmilk...you dont know what goes on bechadrei chadarim.
I can tell you though lipstick is the one thing I dont have to reapply. the secret is very simpe. Mac makes lipsticks that look like lip gloss tubes but they really stay on until you remove them with makeup remover. you have to learnto apply it right. you are not supposed to blot your lips and it makes a huge difference. they have it at any department store or at mac.
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Atali
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:36 am
To those of you who put on make-up, you do realize that you are committing multiple acts of chillul shabbos that are d'oraisa, right?
Do you realize that halachicly speaking you would be committing about the same amount of issurim by driving to shul, right?
And that halachicly going shopping in an area that is not a rshus harabim min haTorah is halachicly preferable to what you are doing, right?
Just checking
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mommy#1
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:37 am
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for all those who say its impossible theyre not putting on on shabbos, I know from experience. I put on a full face of makeup about an hour before shabbos, and maybe because my skin is dry and I dont move in my sleep, my makeup stays very nicely until shabbos afternoon, sometimes later. so hey, lets be dan l'kaf zechus here!
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Chocoholic
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:44 am
One can squirt on a bit of clear lipgloss and "smear" with the lips (lipgloss should be clear and a tube).
Underneath you can wear lipstain, the pigmented mc stuff that gets into your lips and stays on for a real long time or real longlasting lipgloss.
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amother
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:45 am
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as many coats of lipstick as I put on and as carefully as I sleep - one good smooch from dh and its all over!!! what do you do when you have a simcha or something that you want to look nice for, but your with dh fri night......?
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Atali
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Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:46 am
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People will know that you keep shabbos by not putting on makeup. What is the big deal?
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