Women perfectly made up on Shabbos and Yom Tov

↑ Atali ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:53 am

Isramom8 wrote:

I hope the Oneg Shabbos we ladies enjoy by looking stunning can Make Up for the self-affliction of eating precisely and sleeping like a stone. Iz shver tzu zein a Yid. May my daughters never think so.

I know, it requires so much mesiras nefesh to keep shabbos. Yidden in previous generations lost their jobs every week by refusing to go in on shabbos and their families starved. But the nisayon in this generation is so much harder. Could you imagine having other people in shul find out what you look like without makeup? How terrible! I could understand how someone could let her family almost starve to keep shabbos but going to shul without makeup? No way! Of course one should be mechallel shabbos for the sake of beauty.

↑ shalhevet

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:57 am

Atali wrote:

Isramom8 wrote:

I wish I could Nervous

, but after some of the posts on this thread, I just want to Crying

sequoia

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 11:57 am

Atali wrote:

Isramom8 wrote:

I shouldn't say anything since I don't wear makeup. But I really like Atali's perspective.

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 12:09 pm

I put makeup on every day of my life. I have OCD and am a skin picker. My face is ridden with scars and acne, which is an up and down battle with hormone fluctuations from multiple pregnancies and miscarriages. Only recently has my husband seen me without makeup, after many years of marriage. This isn't me being shallow, this is much more serious. There are many women who are truly just wanting to be a hot chani type and have a full face of makeup on shabbos but there are others, like me, who would not leave the house or have guests over without putting on makeup. My face is oily so it doesn't matter what I apply or how I do it, by morning, it's a mess. And leaving it all on overnight makes my face break out even more. Shabbos makeup does nothing to cover up what I have. So, in my own little insecure world, this is what I view as my only option.

And if you asked me about it in shul, I'd probably lie and say it's from the day before and not freshly applied. I'm not proud of what I do. But I don't put on lipstick or anything, mainly just concealer and foundation and then a bit of blush so I don't look sickly. And it is the loose kind (Everyday Minerals in case you're curious - their whole line is oil free, all natural and all loose powders) so I gues that's a bit better, in terms of melacha.

Maya ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 12:10 pm

I agree with the being dan l'kaf zchus here. My skin holds makeup perfectly, even if I sleep deeply on my face. I use a lipstick sealer over my regular lipstick and it lasts until the next afternoon. And there really is no rocket science involved in making eye makeup last: I use an eyeshadow primer, and Estee Lauder makes a Double Wear eyeliner that lasts for three days. Waterproof mascara doesn't come off easily either (but I rarely use mascara.)

The only thing I have a problem with is blush, but that can be taken care of with shabbos makeup blush.

↑ Atali ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 12:15 pm

amother wrote:

So don't go out on shabbos.

I'm not trying to sound harsh but putting on make-up on shabbos involves several different issurei d'oraisa. It is absolutely no different than getting in a car and driving to shul on shabbos. One can only be oiver on an issur d'oraisa of shabbos for the ske of pikuach nefesh.

Do you really think that the pain that you would feel going to shul without makeup is worse than the pain of those yidden in America who listened to their children cry for food that they didn't have since they didn't work on shabbos? Really??????

Bleemee ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 12:48 pm

Maya wrote:

The only thing I have a problem with is blush, but that can be taken care of with shabbos makeup blush.

I assume that you have learned the halachos of the Shabbos makeup. AFAIK, it cannot be applied on top of skin that has anything on it- like any other makeup. So I don't think you can apply Shabbos blush on a face that has concealer on (even from before Shabbos). Those that hold of Shabbos makeup halachically provide specific guidelines for it to be muttar.

↑ Atali ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 12:53 pm

amother wrote:

Wow, Atali, you're so frum and wise, my problems are over. I shall remain homebound with my 6 kids indefinitely on shabbos. Thanks for the help. My husband and kids will love this solution. Who knew it was so simple?

Btw, don't go into kiruv. Guilt and minimizing someone's problems don't work so well.

What would you say if someone posted on here that they live ten miles from their shul and drive to go there so they won't be housebound on shabbos?

there is no halachic difference between the two scenarios.

↑ Bleemee ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 12:54 pm

Maya wrote:

People like you probably don't even need the makeup anyway... Wink

↑ Maya ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:00 pm

Isramom8 wrote:

Can someone please compile a list of all these looooong lasting brands of everything so that I can search for them in Israel or the internet? For everyday of course - not for Shabbos.

Estee Lauder's line of Double Wear is really long-lasting. They have foundation, eyeliners, lipsticks, mascara, etc.
Using an eyeshadow primer really helps the shadow stay on all day long.

↑ greenfire ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:00 pm

Atali wrote:

amother wrote:

I actually think it would be great - but only if they're driving to shul for the spiritual aspect and not the I need to get out of the house ...

↑ amother ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:01 pm

I would make them feel guilty and shout Assur Assur!!!!

No, not really. I would tell them that's it's not halachically permissable and that I hope they work towards the goal or not needing to do that one day. Whether that means staying home, moving closer to their shul, or walking ten miles each way. I would try to give them strength to make one of those choices.

Such a person, like myself, most likely knows what they are doing is wrong. So let's be realistic. Every jew is not on the same level. Everyone has different struggles. Let's just hope we're all going in the same direction. And pointing fingers and belittling someone's problems, often sends people in the other direction.

↑ Atali ↓

Sun, Oct 25 2009, 1:01 pm

greenfire wrote:

Atali wrote:

amother wrote:

I actually think it would be great - but only if they're driving to shul for the spiritual aspect and not the I need to get out of the house ...

Please tell me you aren't being serious...

That is precisely the opinion of the Conservative Movement, and we see how well that worked.