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miriamnechama
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 Tue, Nov 18 2008, 5:52 am
I didn't want to hijack yoma's thread so started a new one.
what's the inyan of having an out door chupa while some have it indoors??
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shabbatiscoming
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 5:54 am
| miriamnechama wrote: | I didn't want to hijack yoma's thread so started a new one.
what's the inyan of having an out door chupa while some have it indoors?? | I THINK that the outdoors chupa is a yerushalmi minhag, someone told me that. im not 100% sure.
thats all and so people like to do things having to do with yerushaliyim no matter where they are in the world.
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bubby
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 6:04 am
In Crown Heights all weddings (except 2nd marriages, usually) are outside, at 770, no matter the weather. Out-of-town sometimes are inside with those openings right above the Chuppah, and sometimes outside, maybe on grass or even a parking lot!!
I suppose it depends on the Minhagim of the families & the availibility of a Chuppah room. I got married inside, no opening.
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shabbatiscoming
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 6:26 am
| bubby wrote: | In Crown Heights all weddings (except 2nd marriages, usually) are outside, at 770, no matter the weather. Out-of-town sometimes are inside with those openings right above the Chuppah, and sometimes outside, maybe on grass or even a parking lot!!
I suppose it depends on the Minhagim of the families & the availibility of a Chuppah room. I got married inside, no opening. | its funny you mentioned this because I had a friend who got married outside of 770 and it started snowing during the chuppah:) and nobody ran inside:)
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Fabulous
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 6:36 am
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I know it is also a chassidish minhag. My parents didn't have a minhag to specifically have it inside or out (although they got married inside, as did my sister). But dh's famiy (who are very chassidish) were adamant to have it outside. So, outside it was.
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shalhevet
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 6:38 am
AFAIK, it's an Ashkenazi minhag and not a Sephardi one. The Ashkenazim who don't do it were influenced by Xians and so on who had their weddings inside churches. In fact, having a chuppa inside the shul (as is popular among MO in England, at least) is not a Jewish minhag, and comes from the same influence. (It is even halachically problematic.)
It is a siman (sign) for having descendants like the stars above (I suppose even if it's during daylight they are still there!)
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bubby
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 6:40 am
Does that mean I'm not halachically married?  After 33 years?
I don't think so.
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greenfire
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 6:43 am
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I actually saw a weird chuppa in willi - where they used the awning of the hall ?!?!?! now that one stumped me ...
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shalhevet
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 6:43 am
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Ch"v! I should have explained - not that it's a problem with the marriage. It is a problem having the chuppa inside a shul, because it is basically where the choson takes his kalla for the first time. Even though there isn't privacy today, it is still representative of that and so not appropriate inside the actual shul (rather than a shul hall).
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bubby
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 6:46 am
Now I'm really confused. What do you mean, takes his Kallah for the first time? Are you meaning what I think you're meaning?   My mind is working overtime here.
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NativeMom
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 6:50 am
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My DH was born and raised in CH but we got married out of town, in Michigan. We agreed to have our chuppah inside, underneath a skylight. My in laws really wanted the wedding at 770 though but all my friends and family lived in Michigan and I wanted it there.
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Tamiri
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 6:55 am
Bubby, the Chattan escorts his Kalla from the chuppa outside, to the shul inside. This is the first time he's escorting her into somewhere as a married couple.
I thought all Chuppot were held outside but then I lived in the U.S. and found out that's not the case.
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shalhevet
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 7:06 am
| bubby wrote: | | Now I'm really confused. What do you mean, takes his Kallah for the first time? Are you meaning what I think you're meaning? My mind is working overtime here. |
Yes, I do mean what you are thinking of. I said the chuppa is representative of that, which is why it's not appropriate inside a shul.
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yo'ma
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 7:09 am
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Isn't there usually an open skylight above the actual chuppah?
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Ruchel
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 7:09 am
| bubby wrote: | | Now I'm really confused. What do you mean, takes his Kallah for the first time? Are you meaning what I think you're meaning? My mind is working overtime here. |
omg yes, I thought of THAT too. Are we sick??? lol
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Ruchel
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 7:11 am
It's not "halachically problematic". It's a different minhag. Or do you mean the French rabbinate is problematic? or those having a chuppa inside in Israel too? be they secular, traditional, MO, JPF or charedi? then people should really be concerned because they're doing it regularly in the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem. And the rabbi from there, as well as the gadol hador who married us, allowed it. Pm me if you want the name, I don't think any Litvish or European frum person doesn't know him.
In France everyone has the chuppa in a shul, and I think it feels really holy. I wouldn't have wanted in a hotel hall or whatever, even in the most beautiful one.
I got married inside, my parents got married inside, my grandparents got married inside. Dh's parents too.
From a quick research:
Translation from me, sorry. From a site on French Judaism.
At the time of Jacob Mölln, the Maharil, deceased en 1427, and according to the minhag of Mainz, the chuppa was on the bima. And according to Maharam Minz, who lived in the 17th century, the marriage also took place at the synagogue.
After the 17th century, people start to get married in the open air, in the festivity hall, or in front of the synagogue. In the 1830's, the tendency goes back to getting married in the synagogue, and has been such since these times.
Yoma: from my experience, sometimes yes, sometimes no. We didn't.
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Raisin
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 7:32 am
I think all lubavitch chuppas (and most other frum ones) I've been to have been outside. in my town all chuppas are inside, in the shul, except on one occasion when the couple were a bit frummer then most and had it outside. I think it is far nicer to have it outside as well!
And yes, I think the chuppa represents a blanket, am I right?
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Mrs. XYZ
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Tue, Nov 18 2008, 8:24 am
| yo'ma wrote: | | Isn't there usually an open skylight above the actual chuppah? |
Yes I think most jewish halls have the actual chuppa under an open space under the sky. But most chassidim make the whole chuppa outside and usually there are no chairs, sometimes they have seating inside for those who want.
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