Over development | Imamother

GLUE ↓

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 6:49 pm

I see this all the time, people complaining about over development.

What does that mean to you?
When is a town considered to be over developed?
Does stopping over development mean no more building or something else?

Blessing1

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 7:00 pm

To me it means that the town's/city's infrastructure cannot handle the amount of homes, cars, people. The traffic is horrendous, (kids sit on the bus over an hour on the way too/from school)
people living one on top of each other's- multiple families on a 1 family property.....

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yiddishmom

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 7:12 pm

Over development means building homes without proper city infrastructure to accommodate.

They keep building small dead end/ no exit streets without enough main thruways to keep the car traffic flowing.

And there is more.

Big issue.

gr82no

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 7:22 pm

When they knock down one house with 1/2 acre property and build a house for ten olus families thats over development. The water, sewage pipes cant handle. The roads cant handle that extra traffic. Etc.

m-u-a-mama

Mon, Nov 04 2024, 8:10 pm

What does overdevelopment mean to me?

Lakewood.

When the towns infrastructure is totally falling apart because it was never meant for this many people, and no accommodations were made for this type of exponential growth

When you can sit in traffic for 45 minutes to go 4-5 miles from one end of Route 9 to the other (and shortcuts don’t help because they’re all equally backed up…. Or closed for construction)

When they are building office building on my yehupitzville residential street corner in Howell because they ran out of space in Lakewood .I don’t know if there’s a square foot of room available in Lakewood proper to develop

↑ GLUE ↓

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 6:44 am

Once a town is over developed is their anything to do that can fix it?

byisrael

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 7:30 am

To me, overdevelopment is when there is more growth then the infrastructure can accomodate.

So Brooklyn is built much more densely then Lakewood, but there is a decent infrastructure to accommodate that population density. There is public transportation, roads that are one way or another on purpose to direct traffic, enough traffic lights and traffic direction, plenty of sidewalk to encourage walking.

And yes, traffic is still insane in Brooklyn, but there is a reasonable flow.

I don't think you can fix Lakewood without doing anything very drastic that would never fly, but you can protect the surrounding areas by bringing urban planning into the zoning laws and not just pushing zoning thru because the developer is frum.

One thing that can help Jackson, Howell, and Toms River stay suburban would be to really consider where we build schools. I lived in EY for a while and I wish we could require every big development to build a Boys and Girls elementary school, a shul and mikvah, and a small shopping strip and make it safe for people to walk and drop off so that not always is everyone leaving the area. Anyways people tend buy in developments according to "types" and no one would FORCE anyone to send to those schools, but the people of the development would have first considerations.

There could be office space and daycare space in the shopping strip, and there would be less of the constant driving all around town in crazy traffic. People would still need to get to work, but it would still cut down a LOT of traffic.

This is what should have happened in big developments like Westgate, or The Villas/The Estates/ Whispering Pines (should have been one big development with infrastructure).

And then change the zoning so you cant build small developments just because there is property. Only big ones, with self contained infrastructure, and only very close to major roads

thankyou1 ↓

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 7:35 am

Knocking down a 1 family house and bulding a 2+ family. ( I'm still undecided if a basement apartment counts).
Building multiple store complexes without thinking about the traffic on the main road and how anyone will make a left turn out of the parking lot. ( even with a light) then you have 3 traffic lights in 3 feet...
I don't know what there is to do about it.
If we think about it, does our city really need another fleishig fast food space? Or ice cream store?

↑ thankyou1

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 7:37 am

GLUE wrote:

Once a town is over developed is their anything to do that can fix it?

Good question, I wish Sad

And I've had people tell me to "move out of my neighborhood"
"Times change, what can we say" " people need somewhere to live"
Don't take an existing city and "change it" start building/ moveing farther out with the proper zoning codes.

keym

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 7:54 am

byisrael wrote:

Ha.
Building developments in Lakewood is "old hat" because it cuts into profits.
It's very rare for full developments to be built.

Now, it's about a block at a time. Because building a block, the developer isn't required to set aside land for a shul and playground and build it.
So they build a block. Then another one. And a third. And a fourth.
And now you have 40 houses with an additional 60 basement apartments (assuming half of them rent out 2 apartments) so that's 100 families coming onto the already crowded shuls, streets, playgrounds

Personally, I think IF Lakewood stopped building now, they could fix up what's going on. But they're giving away variances like free candy. So yeah, they're widening Cross, but how does that really help if they're building up Cross/Prospect and looking to build in Cross/James.

It all boils down to unethical developers and Planning Departments who don't care and do traffic studies on Yom Tov.

↑ GLUE ↓

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 4:05 pm

byisrael wrote:

There is interest in such idea, in the US they go by names like New Urban and 15 minute cities. They are being build across the country,but in most places they are not zoned for such things.

↑ GLUE

Tue, Nov 05 2024, 4:05 pm

keym wrote:

Ha.
Personally, I think IF Lakewood stopped building now, they could fix up what's going on. But they're giving away variances like free candy. So yeah, they're widening Cross, but how does that really help if they're building up Cross/Prospect and looking to build in Cross/James.

You forgot the 500 duplexes on Eagle Ridge that will be build when they finishing widening Cross street.(as per the deal)