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amother
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 Tue, Oct 29 2024, 10:38 am
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I am very obese. I finally got the emotional strength to ask my doctor for a prescription for zepbound (same as mounjaro). I searched high and low for pharmacy that has it and finally found, but insurance denied. I was back and forth with doctor and insurance, but looks like there is no chance it will be covered. This whole ordeal has taken a few months. I cannot afford to pay it out of pocket. Not sure what my next step should be?! Please help me with your personal experiences! No one in real life admits to doing shots and I would never ask someone if they are taking them...
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amother
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 10:42 am
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For me the only answer was Overeaters Anonymous. Try to go to a few meetings ( can be live, phone or zoom) and see if you can relate. It's a miracle program bh!
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BmoreBubby
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 12:00 pm
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I really feel for you. What worked for me was the book Body & Soul which is sort of like OA but with a Torah hashkafa. Game-changer for me. Completely changed the way I look at and deal with my body and its many taavos (food is obviously a big one, but there are others).
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amother
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 12:04 pm
Yeah, I’m a single mom and I can’t really afford it either but I found a cheaper option (slightly) and I’m
Making it work because I am so obese and I have tried everything else. I need this for my health
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amother
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 12:07 pm
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bmorebubby, can u share more about how this book helps.sounds interesting...
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BmoreBubby
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 12:19 pm
| amother Chartreuse wrote: | | bmorebubby, can u share more about how this book helps.sounds interesting... |
Well, the weight management chapters don't appear until Ch. 10-11. The earlier chapters are about changing our relationship to our bodies and to food, to understand and deepen the idea of the mitzvah of shmiras haguf as a sacred duty, to unlearn the wrong things about our bodies and health that we've been trained to believe by the non-Jewish world and by the mass-marketers of food, and to develop a Torah-based inspiring (for me) way of looking at my body despite its "imperfections", with some very practical tools.
In that context, those two chapters on weight management and loss are then presented, and the practical tools presented are all based on Torah sources.
I also like the way each chapter has summary bullet points at the end. And I can go back to it now as a reference book because it has an index.
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momto4
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 3:29 pm
| amother Cinnamon wrote: | | For me the only answer was Overeaters Anonymous. Try to go to a few meetings ( can be live, phone or zoom) and see if you can relate. It's a miracle program bh! |
how can you access it on phone/zoom? are you able to just listen?
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momto4
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 3:30 pm
| BmoreBubby wrote: | Well, the weight management chapters don't appear until Ch. 10-11. The earlier chapters are about changing our relationship to our bodies and to food, to understand and deepen the idea of the mitzvah of shmiras haguf as a sacred duty, to unlearn the wrong things about our bodies and health that we've been trained to believe by the non-Jewish world and by the mass-marketers of food, and to develop a Torah-based inspiring (for me) way of looking at my body despite its "imperfections", with some very practical tools.
In that context, those two chapters on weight management and loss are then presented, and the practical tools presented are all based on Torah sources.
I also like the way each chapter has summary bullet points at the end. And I can go back to it now as a reference book because it has an index. |
did it help you lose weight or just have a body acceptance?
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BmoreBubby
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 4:13 pm
| momto4 wrote: | | did it help you lose weight or just have a body acceptance? |
Lost weight (and kept it off).
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amother
Jasmine
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 4:19 pm
In what way is it similar to OA?
OA is based on meetings, sponsors and peer support.
How does a book do this?
I did terrible on OA but I'm wondering if this would be better.
Practically speaking is there a food plan or is it tools for emotional eating?
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Aurora
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 4:19 pm
Well, what is the smallest possible change you can make today and keep going that would help you?
Things like: taking a daily walk, switching soda to seltzer, eating food on a smaller plate...?
Big changes usually come from small but determined efforts.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 4:19 pm
Thanks everyone for your responses.
Anyone here have experience with any of the weight loss shots/pills?
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BmoreBubby
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 5:18 pm
| amother Jasmine wrote: | In what way is it similar to OA?
OA is based on meetings, sponsors and peer support.
How does a book do this?
I did terrible on OA but I'm wondering if this would be better.
Practically speaking is there a food plan or is it tools for emotional eating? |
It encourages getting peer support, obviously it can't do that for you, but it's definitely one of the values. But more important, like OA it starts with the emotional, psychological and spiritual foundations of the behavior(s) that you want to change. In fact IIRC it actually mentions OA and encourages readers who need more support to go there.
To answer you latter Q, any food plan has to be customized to each person, yes, it teaches you how to make your own food plan. And yes, how to deal with emotional eating. I don't think it's a replacement for therapy for someone who needs that, but to me it was a game-changer. I think that knowing I was/am doing something based on Torah is a huge motivator for me. Like OA, the Torah approach is basically to say, this is not a diet, it's the rest of your life, a daily avodah.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 5:53 pm
What did it for me was being put on meds for a variety of conditions, all of which are strongly affected by diet, exercise and weight. The strong likelihood of developing still more conditions was also staring me in the face.
I decided I didn't want to be on meds forever, and I didn't want my healthcare to be complicated anymore by excess fat. I started walking almost every day and following a healthy eating plan, staying away from junk and getting used to the idea that you stop eating when you're no longer hungry, not when you feel stuffed. I'm doing this on my own and so far BH doing well. Hoping to reach my target weight by the end of this calendar year. I will by no means be slender at that point, but at the very top of the "acceptable" weight range for my height. Not "ideal," just "acceptable," but hopefully that will be enough to keep me healthy and off meds.
I'm also learning not to be a perfectionist. If on a given day I ate a slice or two of bread more than my plan calls for, or an extra apple, or even a slice of cake or piece of chocolate, I haven't ruined everything and there's no reason to give up and go off the rails. In the long run, it won't make much difference. I might reach my target numbers (not just weight, but all those numbers that show up on lab reports and at the doctor's office) a little later, but what's important is that I get there and stay there. This is a hard lesson to learn but I'm learning it bit by bit.
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Clear
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 6:17 pm
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Can you let us know the author of book Body & Soul . Thank you.
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BmoreBubby
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 7:04 pm
| amother Clear wrote: | | Can you let us know the author of book Body & Soul . Thank you. | 2 authors - Rabbi Seinfeld and Dr Grove. It's from Feldheim. I think there are a lot of books out there with a similar name but you could google "Torah health".
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chocolate moose
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 7:14 pm
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Somehealth insuracnes pay for Weight Watchers. It's guaranteed to work if you don't cheat on it
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amother
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 7:14 pm
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Op, keep a food journal for a week or two and see if that does anything. It's the easiest way. No restrictions, no guilt, no medication, no cost. Write down everything you eat with approximate amounts. Send it to someone if you want, let them know there's no need for them to comment about your food choices good or bad. Or you can just write it down for yourself in a notebook.
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amother
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 7:34 pm
| amother Cinnamon wrote: | | For me the only answer was Overeaters Anonymous. Try to go to a few meetings ( can be live, phone or zoom) and see if you can relate. It's a miracle program bh! |
Me too! Well said!
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amother
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Tue, Oct 29 2024, 7:46 pm
| amother Cantaloupe wrote: | | Op, keep a food journal for a week or two and see if that does anything. It's the easiest way. No restrictions, no guilt, no medication, no cost. Write down everything you eat with approximate amounts. Send it to someone if you want, let them know there's no need for them to comment about your food choices good or bad. Or you can just write it down for yourself in a notebook. |
Recording what you eat is very important. It keeps you on track and honest. It's too easy to conveniently forget about those six nuts, that sliver of cake, and that potato kugel crust.
Myths we wish were true:
Calories eaten on Shabbos and YT don't count.
Calories eaten standing up don't count
Calories eaten off your husband's or child's plate don't count
Calories from broken cookies and cake crumbs don't count.
Calories from remnants scraped off the bottom of the pan don't count.
Calories from food you tasted while cooking don't count.
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