Ezras Nashim | Imamother

amother

OP ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 2:05 pm

I became an EMT a few years back. I live in the Flatbush-boro park-Midwood section.

I love the medical field and the opportunity to help people and be there for them in their time of need. I work for ambulance companies and while I enjoy the work, my yearning is still to help out in my community and be there for them.

It truly bothers me that hatzalah won’t allow women to join, but that’s not what I want this thread to discuss.

I always said I’d never join EN because they have a name. I worried people would think I’m nuts for working for them.

I’ve grown a lot as a human being and it no longer bothers me as much what others think. I have a way to fulfill my potential and I want to utilize it. I’m a fabulous EMT, I’m super quick, and I’m a people person. I also would never allow politics or ego to come before helping others, and would be okay being fired for standing by morals and doing what’s right vs what the image needs.

I’m just wondering- why is it that their name is the way it is? Has it changed?

amother

Arcticblue ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 3:14 pm

amother Holly wrote:

I wish to me an ent part of hatzolah & going on calls.
Hatzolah of New Square actually has several women on call for women's issues.

They are part of Ezras Nashim and work together with Hatzalah.

In BP, it was Hatzlala that was knocking down EN. Hatzalah is an exclusive club, and the birthing calls are the most exciting.
(It's not all members, but most)
I know, I have lots of close relatives part of Hatzalah.

There is no other reason than ego, for not allowing EN to operate.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 3:22 pm

greenteam wrote:

Plenty of woman join flatlands assist or seniorcare

Flatlands and seniorcare do not service the heimish community, have lots of politics, and too much male/female bantering for my comfortability level.

amother

↑ Holly ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 3:47 pm

amother Arcticblue wrote:

New Square women emt's are not part of EN. They're under hatzolah specifically for women's calls. They've been around already way before EN started.

amother

Ebony ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 7:32 pm

amother OP wrote:

Flatlands and seniorcare do not service the heimish community, have lots of politics, and too much male/female bantering for my comfortability level.

I know you said you didn't want to turn this into a discussion of why hatzoloh won't allow women but right here, in your own post, you spelled it out

amother

↑ OP ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 7:38 pm

amother Ebony wrote:

I know you said you didn't want to turn this into a discussion of why hatzoloh won't allow women but right here, in your own post, you spelled it out

You’re very in the wrong here.

Assist and flatlands run that you sit together male and female on the truck for ten hours at a time, night and day.

Hatzala is individual volunteer vehicles arriving to the job and treating on scene. Even transporting a patient is with family members on the truck and one member in the back usually.

Additionally, the morals of the type of people volunteering for flatlands and those for hatzala are extremely different. Flatlands is full of non Jews as well. Many of the frum ones are flatlands are not necessarily Shomer.

amother

↑ Ebony ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 7:46 pm

amother OP wrote:

I'm not wrong.
If you want to debate it, we can but there are tons of threads on this already. And I recall a poster who was an emt even agreeing with this aspect of it.
Morals!? For real!? Go talk to all the women who's husband's had affairs or casual friendships that turned into more than that before you say the morals are different.

amother

↑ OP ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:08 pm

amother Ebony wrote:

We can debate it.

For starters I work at these places— do you? I see it in my face.

I’m not denying affairs happen- of course they do! I’m telling you I see crazy stuff at flatlands.

You can’t compare the morals at EN. So yes, morals at an atmosphere by EN where male and female don’t sit for hours together are different than the setup at flatlands.

So no, I’m not taking it from you that woman joining hatzala is any more of a risk of an affair than me hiring a Jewish contractor. Affairs happen but one has nothing to do with the other here. If they’ll happen, they’ll happen anywhere to one who it will happen to.

amother

Moccasin

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:15 pm

amother OP wrote:

I know a few former Ezras Nashim EMTs.
I think your best bet would be to reach out to former members rather than post here to get factual info.

amother

↑ Holly ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:20 pm

happyness wrote:

So how is it that skver has women part of HatzalA?

To service women in labor or other women's related emergencies. They want the women to feel as comfortable as possible in an emergency.

amother

Crocus

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 8:22 pm

amother Arcticblue wrote:

Omg this post make me feel sick!
.ugh how can you write about frum men like that?

amother

↑ Ebony ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 11:35 pm

amother OP wrote:

It's all been said already in the below threads.
As an immediate family member of a hatzalah member and having been involved in many of their office projects and spent MANY hours in their environment, I stand by what I wrote.
It's not the same as sitting on an ambulance together for a shift but very far from calling it the same as hiring a Jewish contractor. For the patient it can be considered the same, not for the crew.

https://www.imamother.com/foru.....51224
https://www.imamother.com/foru.....74153
I think there are more but I can't find them and there's plenty of debate in these two

amother

↑ OP ↓

Thu, Jul 18 2024, 11:49 pm

amother Ebony wrote:

Then perhaps we should ban working with men in offices or any other job.

Or going to the grocery too.

Also, I know many hatzala members and while they would have all kinds of conversations between themselves, they’d never talk that way with another woman. Many of these men work with women for their day job and many don’t interact inappropriately.
Your argument doesn’t hold weight. Woman joining hatzala isn’t a risk for increasing affairs any more than other stances where men and women work together ( probably less actually)