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amother
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 Thu, Jul 18 2024, 11:54 pm
Btw, I read the first thread you linked and I find zero reference to material suggesting that affairs are a risk.
Me thinks ur a hatzala member wife or something with their agenda of NEVER LET THE WOMEN JOIN HATZALA!
U clearly are so anti. U do know hatzala has women in EY…
In any case, I specifically asked the thread not to go here and would like to rather hear if others have experience with EN firsthand.
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Cheiny
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Fri, Jul 19 2024, 1:26 pm
| amother Arcticblue wrote: | They are part of Ezras Nashim and work together with Hatzalah.
In BP, it was Hatzlala that was knocking down EN. Hatzalah is an exclusive club, and the birthing calls are the most exciting.
(It's not all members, but most)
I know, I have lots of close relatives part of Hatzalah.
There is no other reason than ego, for not allowing EN to operate. |
The birthing calls are the most exciting? Are you actually saying that most Hatzalah members see that as a turn on?
In any case, I really don’t approve of any sort of Hatzalah bashing. These members are the most dedicated, selfless, wonderful people who give up their own time, including inconvenient ones like in middle of the night, Shabbos/YT, etc. to help others, many times in life and death situations. I think Hatzalah is probably the most valuable organization the frum community has.
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amother
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Fri, Jul 19 2024, 3:45 pm
| Cheiny wrote: | The birthing calls are the most exciting? Are you actually saying that most Hatzalah members see that as a turn on?
In any case, I really don’t approve of any sort of Hatzalah bashing. These members are the most dedicated, selfless, wonderful people who give up their own time, including inconvenient ones like in middle of the night, Shabbos/YT, etc. to help others, many times in life and death situations. I think Hatzalah is probably the most valuable organization the frum community has. |
Birthing calls are not exciting. I have several family members in hatzolah and none like going to birthing calls. My father once delivered a baby in the lobby of a building during a snowstorm, he came home so weak, he had to get to himself.
In my father's 30 years in hatzolah kh, he went to less then a handful birthing related calls.
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amother
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Fri, Jul 19 2024, 4:27 pm
Sorry to say this about frum men, but it’s true. It’s not everyone, but facts are facts.
We listened to a recording of a Hatzola calling line (can’t hear the patients, only the dispatcher and members) a call came in for a seemingly simple issue, there were few volunteers that wanted to take the call.
Few minutes later, there was a call for a woman in labor with birth imminent, many, many volunteers responded.
Now don’t say it’s because they need the backup. They might, but it’s a known fact that these calls are what some guys wait for.
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amother
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Fri, Jul 19 2024, 4:31 pm
| amother Arcticblue wrote: | Sorry to say this about frum men, but it’s true. It’s not everyone, but facts are facts.
We listened to a recording of a Hatzola calling line (can’t hear the patients, only the dispatcher and members) a call came in for a seemingly simple issue, there were few volunteers that wanted to take the call.
Few minutes later, there was a call for a woman in labor with birth imminent, many, many volunteers responded.
Now don’t say it’s because they need the backup. They might, but it’s a known fact that these calls are what some guys wait for. |
More people responded to the women giving birth because it's more of an emergency than a simple call. They need more people. That's how it goes with every major emergency. If there's a choking child or a cardiac arrest, the responses are crazy. If it's a simple non emergency thing, there are automatically fewer responses.
It's absolutely not a "fact" that some guys wait for the birthing calls.
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HarrietW
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Fri, Jul 19 2024, 4:45 pm
I live in bp and the only flack they got was plain old sexism… “there gunna run to the calls from the kitchen” “you think they can help someone in high heels”… they’re going to freak out”
The real feedback I heard was that they are extremely sensitive and respectful and the person I heard only wanted them for a non birth call.
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amother
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Fri, Jul 19 2024, 5:00 pm
OP, I don't mean to derail this thread, but can you post where you worked as an EMT?
I'm an EMT too and looking for possible work ideas.
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amother
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Fri, Jul 19 2024, 5:05 pm
| amother Arcticblue wrote: | Sorry to say this about frum men, but it’s true. It’s not everyone, but facts are facts.
We listened to a recording of a Hatzola calling line (can’t hear the patients, only the dispatcher and members) a call came in for a seemingly simple issue, there were few volunteers that wanted to take the call.
Few minutes later, there was a call for a woman in labor with birth imminent, many, many volunteers responded.
Now don’t say it’s because they need the backup. They might, but it’s a known fact that these calls are what some guys wait for. |
What is wrong with this????
I’m in the medical type field- obviously there are some things that are more amazing/ interesting than others!
A birth is incredible! Why is this a problem?
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amother
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Fri, Jul 19 2024, 5:09 pm
| amother OP wrote: | Then perhaps we should ban working with men in offices or any other job.
Or going to the grocery too.
Also, I know many hatzala members and while they would have all kinds of conversations between themselves, they’d never talk that way with another woman. Many of these men work with women for their day job and many don’t interact inappropriately.
Your argument doesn’t hold weight. Woman joining hatzala isn’t a risk for increasing affairs any more than other stances where men and women work together ( probably less actually) |
It is well documented that jobs which include an element of adrenaline rush are at greater risk for affairs.
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amother
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Fri, Jul 19 2024, 6:06 pm
| amother Arcticblue wrote: | Sorry to say this about frum men, but it’s true. It’s not everyone, but facts are facts.
We listened to a recording of a Hatzola calling line (can’t hear the patients, only the dispatcher and members) a call came in for a seemingly simple issue, there were few volunteers that wanted to take the call.
Few minutes later, there was a call for a woman in labor with birth imminent, many, many volunteers responded.
Now don’t say it’s because they need the backup. They might, but it’s a known fact that these calls are what some guys wait for. |
Why do you think frum guys wait for birthing calls?
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Cheiny
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Fri, Jul 19 2024, 6:47 pm
| amother Holly wrote: | Birthing calls are not exciting. I have several family members in hatzolah and none like going to birthing calls. My father once delivered a baby in the lobby of a building during a snowstorm, he came home so weak, he had to get to himself.
In my father's 30 years in hatzolah kh, he went to less then a handful birthing related calls. |
I was quoting the other ima who said most of them want to go on birthing calls because they’re “exciting.”
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amother
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Sat, Jul 20 2024, 10:41 pm
| amother NeonOrange wrote: | OP, I don't mean to derail this thread, but can you post where you worked as an EMT?
I'm an EMT too and looking for possible work ideas. |
RCA, flatlands, assist, and senior care.
Regarding the well documented part about this job being a high adrenaline and therefore leading to affairs- that research is regarding the set up where we sit together for hours on a shift, not the hatzala set up.
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amother
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Sat, Jul 20 2024, 11:42 pm
| amother OP wrote: | RCA, flatlands, assist, and senior care.
Regarding the well documented part about this job being a high adrenaline and therefore leading to affairs- that research is regarding the set up where we sit together for hours on a shift, not the hatzala set up. |
You can keep convincing yourself but unless you're in it, which you admit you're not, you have no basis to make that observation.
The setup does change the dynamics a little but doesn't make it any less dangerous for an affair.
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Steel
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Sun, Jul 21 2024, 12:11 am
| amother Holly wrote: | Birthing calls are not exciting. I have several family members in hatzolah and none like going to birthing calls. My father once delivered a baby in the lobby of a building during a snowstorm, he came home so weak, he had to get to himself.
In my father's 30 years in hatzolah kh, he went to less then a handful birthing related calls. |
It's not exciting as in turning them on s-xually. It's something that really needs help, hatzala will fell amazing after, they are actually needed, and end result is a huge simcha. Not a secret that everyone wants to work in L and D and it's way more exciting then attending to a kid who needs stitches or something depressing. They also feel like the hero after and many of these guys are on hatzala for those kinds of reasons. Like it or not, they help us tremendously so who cares
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amother
Amber
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Sun, Jul 21 2024, 12:22 am
| amother Ebony wrote: | You can keep convincing yourself but unless you're in it, which you admit you're not, you have no basis to make that observation.
The setup does change the dynamics a little but doesn't make it any less dangerous for an affair. |
The same argument was used as to why women should stay home the whole day. We gotta live life and having female EMTs is important to female patients. This is life on earth with two genders and since the beginning of time we’re dealing with it. Btw they can totally come up with regulations like one sure in the back and the other drives or having three people together. Not rocket science. The older I’m getting the more I see that tznius is a cover up excuse for sexism
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amother
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Sun, Jul 21 2024, 1:07 am
| amother Holly wrote: | Birthing calls are not exciting. I have several family members in hatzolah and none like going to birthing calls. My father once delivered a baby in the lobby of a building during a snowstorm, he came home so weak, he had to get to himself.
In my father's 30 years in hatzolah kh, he went to less then a handful birthing related calls. |
If your father came home weak and out of himself from a BIRTHING CALL then perhaps he doesn’t belong in the emergency responders field. I can’t imagine how he would feel after a child is crushed under a bus, or a teen is found hanging or even a very stressful cardiac arrest, if a BIRTH stressed him out that much.
A birth call is definitely most exciting of all because it has a happy ending. And it’s more fascinating than a wheezing 75 year old.
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amother
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Sun, Jul 21 2024, 1:12 am
| amother Ebony wrote: | You can keep convincing yourself but unless you're in it, which you admit you're not, you have no basis to make that observation.
The setup does change the dynamics a little but doesn't make it any less dangerous for an affair. |
How can you talk from a perspective of “knowing for sure” when hatzala is all male and has a zero percent history of this happening?
I am in it. I am in the field and I am personally aware of the dynamics which happen and which aspects create that possibility.
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amother
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Sun, Jul 21 2024, 1:17 am
Agree with this 100 percent. You do what is right. LIke you said, what can be wrong helping a woman who calls for help??
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amother
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Sun, Jul 21 2024, 1:52 am
| amother OP wrote: | RCA, flatlands, assist, and senior care.
Regarding the well documented part about this job being a high adrenaline and therefore leading to affairs- that research is regarding the set up where we sit together for hours on a shift, not the hatzala set up. |
Do they allow you to wear skirts?
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amother
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Sun, Jul 21 2024, 6:41 am
Yes.
You can also join Midwood and Maimo. I think skirts are okay there too.
NYU does not allow skirts. I’m not sure about FDNY.
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