Body Jewelry | Imamother

↑ gold21 ↓

Thu, Nov 12 2009, 9:37 pm

ok im still online I confess. about to click off. but to clarify quickly: not the norm at all. no no no. but its still considered normal. enough people do it. not most people. but enough people. about three hundred times the amount of people who wear nose rings around here. ok. no it is NOT the norm to get a brazilian I assure you. like how many ppl in your town limp? everyone? no. ok now how many people walk on their hands? um nobody. ok insane example but im so tiiired. bye.

↑ BeershevaBubby

Fri, Nov 13 2009, 2:59 am

gold21 wrote:

She's not talking about whether women wax completely but the fact that they DISCUSS it. Unless you're walking around naked it's not something you're going to notice and frankly I've never sat around with my friends and polled whether or not they shave, wax or leave...

Besiyata Dishmaya ↓

Sat, Nov 14 2009, 12:51 pm

gold21 wrote:

whats brazilians got to do with anything? I think brazilians are cool. I happen not to be a fan of body jewelry other than earrings. maybe thats cuz in my world its about as normal to wear a nose ring as it is to walk around with a pink lampshade on your head. but brazilians are normal in my community, I think.

You're comparison is Rolling Laughter

I'm trying picture the reaction of the Belzer Rebbetzin tlit”a or Rebbetzin Kanievsky tlit"a or other such personalities if they'd hear the discussion of any of these body jewelry LOL

sarahd ↓

Sat, Nov 14 2009, 1:06 pm

YESHASettler wrote:

gold21 wrote:

So what in the world do you have to discuss with friends if not that?

freidasima ↓

Sat, Nov 14 2009, 1:22 pm

I'm really surprised at how many frum women are saying positive things about body jewelry, fake tatoos and other such things. In my circles there are many who won't even pierce their ears as it is mutilation and reminiscent of slaves who would pierce the ear as a sign of not wanting to leave slavery (eved ivri).

The idea of piercing anything but an ear is something that no frum woman that I know of of any age would conceive of doing. Maybe some of the dati lites, maybe, but certainly no DL or charedi woman I have ever heard of. It is mutilation, so we are taught, there is nothing beautiful about mutilating the beautiful body that the Ribono shel olam gave us! It's a non jewish thing, and as one poster pointed out, no classy non jews would be caught dead doing it. In other words that makes it a low class non jewish custom and just the fact that frum women say that they think is beautiful makes me ask whether they rejected their Jewish education in terms of other things such as tznius (no matter what your shita is), or anything else having to do with the physical.

Same, BTW for tatoos. Since when did Jewish women outside of sefaradi circles where henna is placed on the palms before a chasuneh, even paint their bodies? Again, a non jewish custom. The poor women of the falashmuras of Ethiopia came to EY with tatoos that were forced on their foreheads, as did some of the Jewish non falashmura women, and it was a sign of what non jews did to them!

I'm culture shocked here. Are you all the same women who extoll the virtues of yiddishe tznius? Who get into long discussions about the best most tznius type of headcovering? Among all the amothers who are for or against this body painting and Jewelry are all those for very modern MO? Just asking...

Cookies n Cream

Sat, Nov 14 2009, 5:41 pm

Zus wrote:

I am shocked by your post, freidasima. Especially by the phrase that only non classy non jewish women have piercings Sad

It's totally not true where I come from.
And I also never learned that piercings are mutilation.

People that go according to that opinion,will not wear earrings either.
I know some people that don't have earring holes due to that reason.

↑ amother ↓

Sat, Nov 14 2009, 10:26 pm

amother wrote:

Question for all those with Belly rings - What is your background and what type of community do you live in?

I live in a typical frum community - one that you might describe as yeshivish. Went to a very frum Bais Yaakov and grew up in a typical frum home. As I've said in earlier posts you would never know that I had one by looking at me or how I dress. My husband happens to find belly rings attractive (and yes he went to mainstream yeshivas and also grew up in a very frum home, wears a black hat, goes to daven, learns etc..) so I decided to get one. Its something only he and I know about. It has nothing to do with my community or background.

↑ freidasima ↓

Sat, Nov 14 2009, 11:01 pm

Cookies - exactly! I don't have pierced ears, nor do any of my relatives for that reason, in my circles any hole not G-d given and not for medical reasons is mutilation of the body and is frowned upon.

Zus - gotta tell you, I'm not talking earrings here, even multiple, which you can find among classy non jewish women, definitely, it's a socially acceptable thing. One hole in the ear, two holes, three holes, all the same. But we are talking tongue piercing, eyebrow piercing, intimate piercing for men and women? Among the classy, just not done.

Now here's the thing. My definition of "classy" is "well bred". NOT "celebrities", neuveau riche, etc. That isn't "classy", that's just famous or rich. The famous or the rich were never my standard for anything moral or behavioral. I'm talking about really "classy". If one of them gets a nose piercing they are looked at sideways by their society and it's thought of as a "teenage abberation", and not normative.

There is also a psychological theory that in the west, people who go in for piercings, all of which are painful when done (fact, unless you dope up with something for a few days afterwards) are looking for something. Some kind of "high" to compensate for something or trying to push their body to painful limits for some reason (punishment? self flaggelation? who knows). People looking for tongue piercings to enhance their intimate life? Dangerous, hurts to even think about it.

In any case, maybe different shitos but in the one that my family ascribes to it's ossur ossur ossur.

↑ amother ↓

Sat, Nov 14 2009, 11:25 pm

amother wrote:

Question for all those with Belly rings - What is your background and what type of community do you live in?

My DH just told me that he'd like me to have a belly button piercing (not that I'm planning to take one), we are shtark MO/sefardic, in a very mixed israeli community. No idea how accepted it is here but who cares, it's under the clothes anyway.

↑ freidasima ↓

Sun, Nov 15 2009, 1:49 am

I guess it just goes to show you how much even the frummest men (and women) are influenced by the non jewish influences around.

I understand it's a cultural thing but to me - as I read the other discussions here of how important tznius is, not only outside but inside, and how we must keep to yiddishe minhogim and not take on non jewish stuff, it's sad to what level the non jewish influences seem to have gone into really frum society...

I guess I'm going through cognitive dissonance, on the one hand the discussions about not wearing red and condemning women who are wearing certain things and reading very open secular literature and not having filters on their internet and on the other hand the women who want body piercings, mayleh, but that their husbands want them to get them???? Where in the world does a frum guy even KNOW about such things? Maybe my dh is a old fogie but if I told him about bellybutton piercing (which you can be sure that I won't) I think he might throw up!

↑ Zus ↓

Sun, Nov 15 2009, 7:01 am

freidasima wrote:

Yes you are so right that we are very influenced by the non jewish world around us, especially in the way we dress.
We should not let our DH's and DS's wear black suits with hats anymore, since that is by no means original jewish garb. Let alone the shtreimels, which were worn in ice cold russian winters by the kozaks.
In fact, we should all go back to wearing robes like they did in biblical times.

We cannot use our computers or anything electrical for that matter, since electricity was first used by non jews. We cannot use our cars either.

And I can keep going on for a long time. Quite pointless, don't you think?

↑ freidasima ↓

Sun, Nov 15 2009, 10:18 am

Zus you wrote earlier tha tyou like body jewelry.
How you do equate that with tznius? It has NOT become a Jewish custom unlike shtriemels and other garb.
Is there anyone who considers this to be Jewish custom today? With all due respect I really don't get your answer. What does this have to do with cars or anything electrical which no rabbonim have ever come out against as being "non jewish" but rather instruments to enable us to function these days. What in the world does that have to do with body Jewelry? We are talking about something that I can not imagine that a single Rov or Rabbi or Rebbe would say is either "permitted" or "neutral".

Metukah

Sun, Nov 15 2009, 10:36 am

I personally don't like body piercings other than 1 hole in each ear. DH says he would be repulsed and I'm of the same opinion.
But, if someone else likes it - good for them.
I like chicken, my friend hates it. Am I offended? no! Does she think I'm gross? no!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
however, it does bother me that when people bash woman who don't drive and women who have higher standards of tznius etc... no-one is shocked, yet, when someone voices an opinion against body piercings, people are shocked and all defensive!
People should be allowed to voice their opinion in all directions imho.

↑ sarahd

Sun, Nov 15 2009, 10:58 am

freidasima wrote:

You are right, FS.