Do you think his boss is rigid?!

↑ itsokay

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 11:28 am

For what it's worth a few years ago I had an interview for a job that wanted a three year contract. I told him that I was coming as a serious employee and planned on staying long term but I didn't know what the future would bring. What if I had twins or triplets. He said if I had triplets I was off the hook, if I had twins we would fight it out. Afterwards I told my father (who is a huge talmid chacham and has smicha) about the interview and he said the contract wouldn't be binding halachically in any way, especially since they weren't committing to me for three years. Employment in the US is almost always "at will" and that goes for employers and employees.

↑ courage2change ↓

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 11:30 am

Thank you everyone for your validation and help. Your ideas are really helping me brainstorm! Perhaps we can buy and rent.. His boss told him that he knows the contract isn’t binding but it’s just making it more official. He did have a single guy but he was not reliable and my husband replaced him. He told my husband he’s paying him for his peace of mind.. My husband is making a little over 100000

↑ B'Syata D'Shmya ↓

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 11:33 am

singleagain wrote:

I've been working as a bookkeeper in a kosher supermarket since 2016
It sounds completely normal for the managers

In fact, I once had to take on some managerial role during the winter during covid right when three people left and my boss got covid I was literally doing exactly as what you're saying your husband was doing for nearly 2 weeks straight in addition to my regular duties.

That's the job. You got to decide if it's worth it. Yours and his mental and emotional health to have this job.

Not everyone is cut out for every job. I was very grateful when my manager got better and I did not have to do the late shifts anymore.

During Covid we all did stuff like that and were grateful to return to our regular jobs. Tough times.

You are right that OP and her dh have to decide if its worth it.
Only they can.
However this staying open till half hour to Shabbos is ridiculous.

If anyone knows this store, or stores like this, please go in and say you are not comfortable with this policy and will take your patronage elsewhere if they dont agree to close the store 2 hours before Shabbos, to ensure the workers can get home in time to make a normal Shabbos,

↑ courage2change

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 11:35 am

My husband also enjoys the managing aspect and he’s good at it! His boss likes him and it’s convenient that my husband is near my house since there’s no traveling and if he left something at home I can bring it to him.He also has his work mate that is a personality disorder to deal with which makes it hard… My friend told me that perhaps I can buy rent and then rent a bigger house in BORO park

↑ lamplighter

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 11:40 am

I know of someplace that had a policy that if you moved away you couldn't keep your position. Fast fwd a few years and remote became a normal part of everyones life, but in those days they found that once people didn't live locally, their work ethics, dependability and overall performance changed.
I don't think it was illegal.
I do know some people who chose to move and find another job and others who stayed local to keep the job.

Cheiny ↓

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 2:47 pm

courage2change wrote:

My husband took a job 8 months ago as a manger of a store. He works 45 hours a week and must be there till half hour before Shabbos in the winter because it’s a food store so but in the summer two hours before Shabbos. I think working half hour before Shabbos is ridiculous and my husband comes running into the house 20 minutes before the zman.His boss made him signa 5 year contract that he will stay and do these crazy hours. He is getting paid pretty well though.
Prices of houses in Brooklyn are through the roof and we can’t afford them. So Banging head

we were thinking of moving to a nearby town about a half hour drive away. He went to ask his boss if he could renegotiate the hours for Friday but his boss said if you move you’re fired! Crying

His boss told him he should have not brought it up. If he would have known that he was going to move he wouldn’t have hired him!
I’m so mad at his bosses rigidity. Do you understand his boss and does he have a right to hold us back from moving? Banging head

Whether the boss is rigid is not the issue. Your dh signed a contract and obligated himself to the boss’s terms. If he needs someone there until 1/2 hour before Shabbos, then he’s entitled to expect that from someone who read the contract, agreed and signed to it. If your dh knew it was in the cards to perhaps move further away, he should’ve considered that before agreeing to the terms.

Right now he’s obligated to abide by those requirements or else be ready to find another job.

↑ Molly Weasley ↓

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 3:43 pm

B'Syata D'Shmya wrote:

In a place like Boro park, it's very important that there's a store for forgotten items even as close as a half hour before shabbos.

There's a reason why the store is also open 24 hours a day.

It doesn't have to be staffed by a frum man with a family though

↑ Cheiny

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 4:02 pm

B'Syata D'Shmya wrote:

This is totally unreasonable. A business owner has a right to have a worker there until whatever time he needs. He’s not forcing anyone to accept the job or abide by terms they were unaware of. Obviously only someone who lives nearby could take the position if they’re frum.

And he is paying a very decent salary so that makes his requirements more justified as well. Some store workers and even managers are barely making more than minimum wage.

byisrael

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 4:27 pm

I would buy the house and rent it out - just make sure you can get enough rent to cover the mortgage.

Stay where you are for now, and if you get pregnant today, that's still 9 more months, and there is an additional year where the baby is in your room.

So that's basically two years before you need to make a move. At that point there is a good chance that the boss will feel more committed to your husband and feel like it will be a bigger inconvenience to retrain someone then to have him live 30 minutes away.

Even if he doesn't, chances are he will be able to use the experience to get another job, 3 years managing a busy supermarket looks much much better then 8 months on a resume. Also, I am sure the boss will be really upset if you move after 8 months, but after giving him 3 years of work, you will get a much better recommendation then if you leave now.

Staten Island is also really growing, it could be that in 2 years from now the boss will open a branch here for all you know....

smile12345 ↓

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 4:57 pm

Molly Weasley wrote:

People in Boro Park don't need items half an hour before Shabbos more than anyone else who lives elsewhere. What does that even mean.

Of course if a store is open until then, people will come. Whether it's Boro Park, Lakewood or Yerushalayim. Doesn't make it the right thing to do. Everyone else manages somehow.

↑ Molly Weasley

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 5:17 pm

smile12345 wrote:

1) as the largest frum community in the US (by population density), such a store must Exist.

2) there aren't many in town non-jewish alternatives in a place like boro park.

OOT areas have non-jewish infrastructure alongside Jewish infrastructure.

naturelover

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 5:22 pm

Cheiny wrote:

This. Whether the boss is being rigid or not make no difference. If you don't like the terms of employment nobody is forcing you to work for him.

↑ smile12345

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 5:32 pm

Molly Weasley wrote:

Must exist?

Everyone manages in Israel, for example. There's no stores open until half an hour before Shabbos either. And no options at all in the frum areas. Unlike in the US where you'll always have the non-Jewish supermarkets within easy distance.

It might be something you've gotten used to in Boro Park, but saying it's needed more than anywhere else doesn't make sense.

Rosemarie

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 6:09 pm

I'm not going to argue if it's necessary or not, it certainly is helpful, in an area where there's no non Jewish stores. But anyway, the stores I know that are open that close to shabbos, have the most senior non Jewish worker stay late and close the store before shabbos, there's no Jewish worker there right before the zman. Don't know why he needs your husband there

↑ B'Syata D'Shmya

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 6:11 pm

Molly Weasley wrote:

My husbands Rav says the store should close enough time for workers to get home like menschen. And not risk chillul Shabbos. Whatever forgotten, is secondary in importance and honestly, I'd rather manage without than know this man's family sees him rush in last minute and taking his shower into the 18 minutes....

↑ wanttobehappy

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 6:33 pm

Can I just say that there is a real demand for rentals in Staten Island. Exp big houses there are very few rentals here.. and btw it’s the nicest community ever. So much achdus more simple happy content people.. a lot going on for the ladies… totally worth waiting for 5 years

Fox

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 10:22 pm

I'll try not to reiterate all the good advice that's already been given, but I think you're jumping the gun just a bit, OP.

Your husband has been at this job less than a year and has a significant gap in his work history. He needs to stay in this job for a minimum of a full year, and he needs to have another job in hand before quitting.

Without establishing a solid work history, a house will be the least of your problems. If you can buy this house and rent it out until he has a new job, great. But at this point, your DH can't afford any more gaps on his resume.

a2z

Tue, Dec 31 2024, 11:03 pm

smile12345 wrote:

Yup
In chareidi areas there are gmachim for every single thing you could think of basically but no stores open so late