Nechemya Weberman charged with abusing 12 yr old girl

↑ Tzutzie ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 6:03 pm

Barbara wrote:

Tzutzie wrote:

Chanala1 wrote:

cant she be examined by a doctor to check if it was done?

no. she could have an active S life w/her boy friend. donno.

well, you never know what happened but here are a few facts.

I know both ppl. Her better than Him.

She was my first cousins closest friend in elementary school when she stil attended satmar school. My very openminded and couldn't care less aunt had my cousin seperated from her cuz she came home w/crazy ideas from her.

she was only accepted into munkatch school after lost of 'pretektzia' and a huge donation and promises from someone else (I'm not sure if it is somone else who takes care of at risk teens or a differnet asken) they did NOT want to accept her. not at first and not later. but money talks.... - this I did not hear now, I remeber when this was happening. how my cousin told me that she doesn't have a school and that a family member who knew her family (didn't know her sister then) said the above.
Mr. weberman is an upstanding respected, erlicha man. he has helped many ppl and no one expect for her complained.

her family, is horrified and are ashamed to show their face in the streets! I know her sister PERSONALLY.

the above I know as facts.

the below I heard...

this is what I heard - She had a stalker she couldn't get loose, so she went to weberman to complain and made a restraining order on him. later on, she changed her mind and wanted him as a bf, he, her then bf, wanted to get back at him (weberman) so this whole scandal came out of it.

take whatever you want from this post. but DON'T change it to fit your veiws and opinions on the issue.

happy arguing.

So you don't mind if I daven tonight that whatever happened to this girl at the hands of this man should also happen to your daughters?

And, in fact, if he's out on bail, why not send your daughter on a lovely trip, all alone, with the guy. No worries.

Because you were in the room, watching, and know that he didn't abuse her.

Unless you were in the room you don't have any more clue than I do. But you're nevertheless willing to drag this poor girl through the mud.

This is beyond disgusting.

Support him if you deem appropriate. But keep your thoughts on that girl to yourself.

first, I don't have any kids....

second, I was not there and I didn't see anything. I don't know anything for sure.
Based on how I perceived these two ppl BEFORE the whole scandal, I have made an assumtion for myself. I have made and ASSUMTION. what I think happened, I will not specifically write out here. you can understand that yourself.
Personal experience (although not in this area c'v) taught me that one can NEVER know for sure.the only thing you know for sure is that there is a G-D and a Torah.
if he is proven guilty or not, does not mean he did or did not commit this crime. it already happened that the GREAT AMERICAN JUSTICE SYSTEM (don't get me wrong, I DO think they are right most of the time) has failed us.
the real truth & clarity we will only have when mashiach will come.

↑ Mama Bear ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 7:35 pm

Barbara wrote:

Mama Bear wrote:

1. There is nothingn wrong with raising funds for a person who needs an attorney.
2. There is something wrong with turning into a big event. I get that they turned it into a big event bc they wanted to attract more $$$. Which is going to the attorneys, not to the fundraisers.
3. It is wrong to jump to ANY CONCLUSIONS. Conclusions that the molestation did occur, conclusions that the molestation didnt occur. WE DONT KNOW. We dont know the facts, we havent seen evidence.

IMNSHO, the problem wasn't turning it into an event. That's how you raise money.

The problem was turning it into an attack on the girl. Depicting her as a missile attacking the community because she dared to mention abuse (to a mandated reporter). *That's* what's wrong. Not voicing support for him.

That's beyond inexcusable. I agree with you fully.

bestseven ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 7:40 pm

I haven't posted on this blog for about a year and probably will not continue doing so. But injustice has pushed me to write this. We don't need people who are not Jewish to bring us down. We have enough people who hate Orthodox frum Jews right on this blog!

The first few posts condemn Weberman from the start. Do you know anything about the story? Did you see or hear anything that compelled you to do that? Al pi Torah, and I assume all of you do follow the Torah there is no way halachically you need to believe the girl. There is no evidence either way--it's her word against his. Why are you so ready, dear reader, to jump on the bandwagon and bash and yell and disgrace an innocent man?? What right do you have to judge? A man who is frum and erlich--at least until now we thought he is--should have hischazkus...

Yes, don't give me the whole load of you know what, about our community being in denial because I know all that already. We do have problems and many and molestation is one of them! Yes, I am admitting we need help in many areas. But all of you have already judged the man with no jury or judge...All of you are as good as CBS, FOX News and all the other local stations who have 7 trucks outside of Continental right now for the same reason you posted. Because they love burying frum Jews alive. They love a scoop like this. They are having a field day.

How come it never entered your mind that many of these emotionally sick people who have left the fold hate us more than we could hate ourselves. You know Jewish history...it is full of Jew haters. This is a modern day libel--unless it can be proven otherwise. Anybody can do this to anybody else. You want to get back at your landlord say he assaulted you and put him behind bars for 75 years! It's easy. Our media will take your story any day if you are a woman...

I'm sure all of you "know" that everybody in Williamsburg is crazy and they regularly host events for molesters....Yeah right. When was the last time anybody you know attended such an event?????

I have a lot more to say today and my heart didn't hurt so hard in a long time. But most of you out there will just slam my post and not internalize a word I say anyway...

I can't imagine the pain Hashem must be in...And that's what matters most. If you care daven something extra so that the chillul hashem shouldn't be so great...

↑ bestseven

Wed, May 16 2012, 7:51 pm

myself wrote:

I agree with the others that there is no point discussing any specifics since NONE of us know BOTH sides of the story. Unless you were a fly on the wall there is no way you can know what transpired. I don't know why this whole thing had to go so public but it definitely helps to bring more awareness. Protect your children and look out for red flags. That's all we can do, and I think that's the only thing we should be taking away from this at this point!

The lesson I took from this is never help anybody anymore. There are countless parents in our community with serious issues on their hands who can no longer get any help!!! From askanim. Yes, women will help women but the most important professional help that girls need will never be provided anymore, thanks to stories like these. Similarly, nobody takes anything for anybody overseas anymore...No one could be trusted. We are bringing our own demise upon ourselves.

↑ b from nj ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 8:17 pm

I should add though that it seems like the Lubavitch community is starting to take pedophilia seriously & there is a website which lists the names of ppl. who have been convicted of abuse within the Lubavitch community so that is at least a step in the right direction.

Of course, it is horrible if ppl. make up stories of abuse just to tarnish a frum person's reputation & of course there is no way to know for sure in this case but I will say that if R. Weberman indeed took the girl on a 12 hr trip upstate, that to me is rather incriminating & would raise a SERIOUS red flag IMO. That is JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE or appropriate for an erliche frum man.

Muchacha

Wed, May 16 2012, 8:21 pm

I have never posted or responded on this forum. I usually use it for recipes and to look up bits of helpful information. This post caught my eye and I am absolutely HORRIFIED by what I am reading.

Victims DO NOT make these things up.
Someone wrote here that 'if you knew her' you would realize how it's false accusations.
It's no wonder that this young neshama appears to be tarnished. She was abused for YEARS. Is is a shock that she isn't unscathed? Emotions, spiritually, psychologically etc.
I had a classmate who was one of those "at risk teens". She had (and is still on) quite a spiritual journey and although I was never that close with her we got back in touch years after we graduated. It was then that she told me of the horrors that she went through. I know dozens of stories like this. (Uncles, brothers, "Rabbi's", Cousins)

How sickening of people to judge this tayere neshama.
I am davening that she is able to recover and lead at least a semblance of a normal life.

Sherri ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 8:33 pm

bestseven wrote:

myself wrote:

There can be safeguards built into the system. It's not all or nothing.

↑ Orchid ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 8:36 pm

bestseven wrote:

Al pi Torah, and I assume all of you do follow the Torah there is no way halachically you need to believe the girl.

That's interesting, cuz I thought lo saamod al dam reiacha was al pi torah. I guess when you say there is "no way" halachically to believe a complaint of s-xual abuse you're talking about a different torah. Because you're dead wrong.

bestseven wrote:

There is no evidence either way--it's her word against his. Why are you so ready, dear reader, to jump on the bandwagon and bash and yell and disgrace an innocent man??

I sincerely hope your kids are never abused, since you won't believe them. 99% of kids who come forth with abuse claims are TELLING THE TRUTH.

Want to explain why he went on a prolonged, secluded, trip with an underage girl? Is that part of his erlichkeit?

↑ Chloe ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 8:47 pm

About CBS and Fox News and all the television channels in front of Continental right now, I think the community brought it upon themselves by their own behavior towards molesters. Their horrible treatment of the victims and the protection for the criminal is now playing against them.
Had they been trusted that it's a community that deals with molesters the way they should be then maybe they wouldn't come down so harsh when such stories happen. But, because the community cannot be trusted due to the way they handled previous s-xual abuse cases, even those that might be innocent are assumed guilty.

chavamom ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 9:58 pm

Chloe wrote:

I live in Williamsburg. You all know that I'm a realistic open-minded person (you can read my posts) and I am outspoken against child molesters. However, in this case, if you would know the girl you would not be so easily influenced by the media (the worst place from where to gain accurate insights with all their hype and distortions).

I know this girl personally. I do not want to take sides, or speak loshon horah because of course I wasn't there when she was having her session with him, but I can tell you that it is extremely easy to accuse a man nowadays and I believe that this is the case here from the INSIDE STORY that I personally know.

I deleted my original post. You are totally deluded and this post makes me want to barf. You know the "inside story"? Oh really? And yet you defend this man?

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↑ chavamom ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 10:01 pm

chani8 wrote:

Just ftr, this girl did not report this. Her subsequent real therapist reported it. The abuse happened when she was 12 years old. So whatever you see now that concerns you about her, it's due to the abuse and the community reaction, not because she is a trouble maker or part of some conspiracy to slander an innocent man.

Weberman had no right to counsel and should be additionally charged for doing so, calling that child endangermeant in and of itself.

No one has a right to defend that man here on this forum unless they've taken the time to read the charges and can then still say, "looks questionable".

Banging head

I can't believe it Chani8 - for once, we are in total agreement.

↑ StrawberrySmoothie ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 10:06 pm

b from nj wrote:

They look into every person very carefully and work closely with the Rabbonim. The beis din also said not to come to them or any rav but to go to the police

↑ chavamom ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 10:09 pm

Tzutzie wrote:

Chanala1 wrote:

cant she be examined by a doctor to check if it was done?

“Those who know don’t say, and those who say don’t know.”

↑ StrawberrySmoothie ↓

Wed, May 16 2012, 10:13 pm

chavamom wrote:

Tzutzie wrote:

Chanala1 wrote:

cant she be examined by a doctor to check if it was done?

“Those who know don’t say, and those who say don’t know.”

Thank you Chavamom. I am shocked at how disgusting some people on this forum are. Don't know why I am shocked anymore, but everytime I cannot believe how low some people will sink to protect the lowest of the low.