Would you get your daughter's hair done proffessionally for

↑ shabbatiscoming

Wed, Dec 17 2008, 3:37 pm

chanchy123 wrote:

I'm not even talking about the money, I'm talking about chinuch. Speaking of what is important in life. I don't think external appearances are the most important things in life, I'd rather spend the time and money elsewhere. I think the focus on the simcha should be the simcha - not what people are wearing. Besides the point, I don't see the real difference between little girls with tons of mousse/jell in their hair and makeup and adult-styled dresses and the little girls dressed as tramps with suggestive outfits that belong in a men's magazine. Both sides of the coin turn little girls into little women and in a way zexual objects.
Talking about tznius!!!!
So your body and hair are covered but, is that all modesty means? I'm sure your dear little daughters are covered from neck to toe - but what message are you sending them? This is not a message of tsnius, this is not a message of modesty. Who care if no men even get to see them. Tsnius is not about what men can see or not. Tsnius is about what every individual displays to the outside world. It is about what you keep to yourself, it is about priorities, it is about deciding that the most important thing about a girl or woman is her midot, her yirat shamyim, her personality, this is what counts.
We cover up to keep the focus off our bodies, not to draw more attention to them.
Tsnius is not to flaunt what you have.

↑ Raisin

Wed, Dec 17 2008, 3:51 pm

I'm trying to think of the justification for someone to spend $40,000 on a watch. it's ok because it looks like it cost $50? And because you have "old money" its ok? Seriously, I never thought Jewish people used that term. I mean, how old is your money? you come from william the conquerer? I hate to break it to you, if my family ever had money they lost it when they fled the nazis. So we had to start making it all over again. (actually, we never made any yet) It's only ok to be rich if you inherit it from your parents, because people who (shock!) earn their own money are prone to spend it on flashy conspicuous things like watches that look expensive?

no that this is anything to do with hair.

↑ ChossidMom ↓

Wed, Dec 17 2008, 4:23 pm

Barbara wrote:

Tamiri wrote:

CM all you have to do is click on them to see them normally. Is her name Batya? They are beautiful children knock on wood LOL.

For the record, and given the turn this thread has taken, I want to say that they're gorgeous kids. I don't think the hair is at all over the top, either.

THANK YOU.

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For heaven's sake. Kids looking like kids doesn't mean that their hair should be rats' nests and their clothes frumpy and patched.

Some people are good with hair, and can make their daughters look beautiful on their own. Me, the instruction *hold the drier in one hand and a brush in the other* is way too complicated. Setting me loose with a curling iron on a kids' hair is considered child abuse in 47 states and virtually every foreign country. I still have nightmares about those curlers my mom used to make me wear, and that was TRANSMISSION ERROR years ago. I guess its a good thing I don't have a girl, but there is NO QUESTION that I would have a girl's hair done for a simcha. Besides, why fuss when there's so much else to do?

Thank you again.

Also, I agree with the poster (can't remember who) who said that she's all for letting her daughter feel like a princess for one night. As long as it's NOT over the top. And I guess the definition of oot would be different for everyone. For me a ball dress would have been oot, although I have to admit that the outfit I got my daughter was beyond gorgeous. By the way, I didn't feel this way when my daughter was a baby. I thought these hairdos were outrageous and that I would NEVER do it. Times change, people change and I have insights now that I didn't have then...

↑ Barbara

Wed, Dec 17 2008, 4:27 pm

chanchy123 wrote:

SNIP
Besides the point, I don't see the real difference between little girls with tons of mousse/jell in their hair and makeup and adult-styled dresses and the little girls dressed as tramps with suggestive outfits that belong in a men's magazine. Both sides of the coin turn little girls into little women and in a way zexual objects.
Talking about tznius!!!!
SNIP

You equate girls with mousse in their hair with tramps? Aren't you the same person who touted your community and your lifestyle as open and accepting?

Well, here are some photos I quickly found of girls with their hair obviously done and gelled into place. Some of the dresses may not be tsnius. Other than that, IMHO, they're all lovely.

http://flickr.com/photos/laura.....9959/

http://flickr.com/photos/losan.....7298/

http://flickr.com/photos/losan.....9150/

http://flickr.com/photos/losan.....3217/

http://flickr.com/photos/jfphoto/298781348/

↑ greenfire ↓

Wed, Dec 17 2008, 4:36 pm

zaq wrote:

Mimisinger wrote:

That's really sick.

Yes, it is. Little girls should look and dress like little girls--fresh and natural, not prinked and primped and painted and gelled.

the difference here it is for a one night simcha ... not to compete like an adult ... so ... "I've looked at life from both sides now ... " Music

↑ greenfire

Wed, Dec 17 2008, 4:51 pm

oh btw - you can make your own "rag curls" ... roll wet hair up with string or rags or ribbon - tie tight & let it dry over night whilst she sleeps ... then in the am you take them out spray with hair spray and pull the top together in a half-pony and place beautiful ribbon in her hair ... do not brush out the curls ... Idea