Blake Lively, do you believe her?

flowerpower ↓

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 9:13 am

Word has it that she isn’t mrs nice nice. But I partially do believe her. I’m more on her side than his side. Then again, what do I know?! I wasnt there.

amother

↑ Stone

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 9:43 am

buspickup wrote:

The question is why didn’t she leave the film as soon she felt s-xually harassed? Instead she stayed to make millions

Excuse me? Why should anyone have to give up her job to avoid zxual harassment? Let the harasser lose their job.

Look, I don't know anything about this situation. When I wrote my first comment here, I didn't even realise this involved zxual abuse. I was just responding to a poster who mentioned Armie Hammer, another abuser and likely zxual assaulter so that's what I responded to.

If there's a livestream with Emily Baker, like there was with Amber Heard, I'll probably watch it.

amother

DarkMagenta ↓

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 9:44 am

buspickup wrote:

Not really, she talked about the movie “it ends with us” as if it’s a romcom. She was downright nasty to interviewers.
Another amber heard 🙄

People's gleeful viciousness toward Amber Heard was the disturbing part in that saga actually.

Remember, she was put through a torturous public trial. By definition a trial takes place before someone has been found guilty of something, meaning, we've established a precedent by which any victim can be put through this by their abuser if they speak out.

↑ flowerpower

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 9:46 am

buspickup wrote:

The question is why didn’t she leave the film as soon she felt s-xually harassed? Instead she stayed to make millions

They did try to set boundaries during filming- you can read the rules they tried to implement if you’re curious.

↑ buspickup ↓

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 9:49 am

[quote="amother Stone"]Excuse me? Why should anyone have to give up her job to avoid zxual harassment? Let the harasser lose their job.

You are totally right. But Justin is the director of the film. U can’t cancel the director

vintagebknyc

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 9:51 am

[quote="buspickup"]

amother Stone wrote:

Excuse me? Why should anyone have to give up her job to avoid zxual harassment? Let the harasser lose their job.

You are totally right. But Justin is the director of the film. U can’t cancel the director

Yes you can.

amother

↑ DarkMagenta

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 9:55 am

buspickup wrote:

amother Stone wrote:

You are totally right. But Justin is the director of the film. U can’t cancel the director

And therein lies the issue. Not only do men get to s-xually harass women, they get to weaponize it against women collectively. Women have to give up career opportunities in the face of s-xual harassment, and then women are collectively undervalued.

And people ask why women don't go into construction work, as if women not wanting to work in that field says something about women's abilities and strengths...

amother

↑ Bronze ↓

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 10:04 am

Fist of all, mean girls can get harassed too. Why is this even a defense? She’s mean. So?
Secondly, nobody thought she was mean, until this narrative mysteriously began being pushed right after the premiere.
Thirdly, we really don’t know anything. All these things are how the felt at the moment. It is almost impossible to document harassment properly. (What? I’m not allowed to compliment you?)

We shouldn’t believe every harassment claim hook line and sinker. But we shouldn’t jump to a side ever. For all we know, the abuser could be extremely good at pushing the narrative, as is often common with narcissists.

I feel bad for the book author though.

amother

↑ Bronze

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 10:06 am

buspickup wrote:

The question is why didn’t she leave the film as soon she felt s-xually harassed? Instead she stayed to make millions

So one is supposed to give up a lifetime career opportunity, because men want to be creeps?

lamplighter

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 10:14 am

Her picking out parts of texts conversations and leaving out the context to make things looks bad, makes me doubt her. In general I tend to trust women who bring this stuff up.
Either way it's all about money at this point and the rights to the second book/movie.

amother

↑ OP

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 11:06 am

amother Myrtle wrote:

I do think this constitutes loshon Hara on a fellow Jew, so maybe we should drop the topic

Who's the Jew?

amother

Teal

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 11:22 am

amother Yellow wrote:

Nobody knows a thing but maybe have seen her act. Personally, when women complain they have been harassed, I believe them.

When women come to Ima and say they’re being abused, and we only have their words not his, do we doubt her?

There is a very distinct difference between women on imamother talking about being abused (many of whom need to first be convinced by others that what they're experiencing is abuse first btw), and a woman who is an actress and stunning and has men wrapped around her finger, and is part of a culture in which promiscuous behavior is more accepted and perhaps encouraged when you're "In" to the person. All of a sudden, you don't like the and what was accepted is now harassment.

Of course she sounds convincing. She's paid to convincingly pretend to be other people.

Not that she isn't to be believed, but more that I think the comparison is not apt.

amother

Calendula ↓

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 12:28 pm

The idea that everyone on the movie came out in her support tells me that we were sold a narrative.

She is also a mother and a wife. Not saying that automatically makes her kind. At all. But I am more inclined to think of her as a grounded person.

amother

↑ Calendula ↓

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 12:32 pm

amother DarkMagenta wrote:

Agreed. Many crueler men were not put to shame the way she was. Not even Epstein. It bothered me so much.

Ok, so this women was wrong… it’s a nice change ( I do believe that in relationships men are more often the perpetrators. Or at least started the pattern of violence) but the celebration of her downfall made me nauseous. And the arrogance of Johnny Depp.

I really see it as misogyny. And many of the people were women. Really disturbed me.

amother

DarkGreen

Wed, Jan 08 2025, 12:42 pm

amother Calendula wrote:

The quotes I saw were so unsubstantial. Not that they saw or felt something.
But more like I support her bec women should be supported and believed.
They sounded like fluff and support. Not they know anything.