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amother

OP ↓

Tue, Dec 24 2024, 11:20 pm

I'm playing his Habeit on the piano. There is one chord that I don't like but I can't find a substitute.

The song is mostly switching back and forth from Am to Dm.
First few lines are great.
The words Nechshavnu katzon are good (Am and Dm). Latevach is an Am but then the music takes a sharp turn on the word Yuval.
The sheet music I have uses a Dm for Yuval, but it's something more complex as the music turns (maybe switches from a minor to major? not sure).

If you can help me figure out a better chord, you will help me sleep at night. Wink

amother

Junglegreen

Tue, Dec 24 2024, 11:50 pm

Did you try ai? https://chordai.net/

aworkinprogress

Wed, Dec 25 2024, 12:11 am

Try Bb major. Bb - D - F
Let me know if that's what you were looking for!

amother

Peru

Wed, Dec 25 2024, 12:14 am

I don't know Abie and I don't play music, but the word is Yuva (will be brought), not Yuval.

Wolfsbane

Wed, Dec 25 2024, 12:20 am

amother Peru wrote:

I don't know Abie and I don't play music, but the word is Yuva (will be brought), not Yuval.

Interesting. My siddur says יובל (yuval).
(Sorry OP for making it seem like the thread has more relevant answers than it does. I hope you figure out your chords).

amother

Pewter

Wed, Dec 25 2024, 12:20 am

amother Peru wrote:

I don't know Abie and I don't play music, but the word is Yuva (will be brought), not Yuval.

Actually not. I think yuval has the same meaning though.

https://he.m.wikisource.org/wi.....D7%99

amother

Hyacinth

Wed, Dec 25 2024, 2:00 am

Yuval means to be led
Yuva means to be brought

amother

Antiquewhite

Wed, Dec 25 2024, 2:05 am

amother Hyacinth wrote:

Yuval means to be led
Yuva means to be brought

So "led to the slaughter" essentially?

Off topic, but this is why I hate when singers make hiphop or jazzy versions of songs. Someone once "reimagined" this song and made it with a fast beat, and it is awful considering the words are a lament.

imasinger

Wed, Dec 25 2024, 5:31 am

aworkinprogress wrote:

Try Bb major. Bb - D - F
Let me know if that's what you were looking for!

This. It's a Bb chord that you need, and the 3 notes in the chord are these.

amother

↑ OP

Thu, Dec 26 2024, 12:20 pm

The B flat is good, though I think it can be even better. Any other suggestions?

mommy6

Thu, Dec 26 2024, 4:16 pm

Try FM. You can email dinastorch@gmail.com, she said she's happy to send you her sheet music to this song.

Choirmistress

Thu, Dec 26 2024, 8:55 pm

To the OP:
I emailed Abie Rotenberg about your post. If he or his lovely wife Sarah has not responded by now, my next suggestion would be to use the same chord as for the third syllable of "ure'ei" in the second line. It seems that what is bothering you about using the official chords (unless you are making up your own because you are sufficiently proficient) is the unusual harmony note of the second syllable of "yuval". I'm sorry, but I can't (yet!) read or write sheet music well enough to name the notes of any chord but CMaj and min. I have a good ear, but my technical and mathematical basics of musical knowledge are totally absent. I know exactly which note of the chord is bothering you, hence my suggestion to fall back on the "ure'ei" syllable's chord. I just can't name it. It's the harmony note that makes the chord sound unexpected. You want the expected, which I can understand, but with due respect, I think the chord used in the official recording sounds just fine as it is. Yes, it is unexpected. Yes, it also works.

amother

Lightblue ↓

Thu, Dec 26 2024, 9:16 pm

My son is musical and I can try to ask him tonight bli neder, OP

amother

↑ Lightblue ↓

Thu, Dec 26 2024, 9:23 pm

I'm playing around with it meanwhile.
What abt D major instead of minor?

amother

↑ Lightblue ↓

Thu, Dec 26 2024, 9:30 pm

I found a website that has it as Bbm first time, Bb second time.
https://chordu.com/chords-tabs.....EgfYk

amother

↑ Lightblue

Thu, Dec 26 2024, 9:32 pm

Choirmistress wrote:

My next suggestion would be to use the same chord as for the third syllable of "ure'ei" in the second line.

No, that's an E and won't work

amother

Stone

Thu, Dec 26 2024, 10:11 pm

The original song has the chord for (yu)val as A# (the yu part is still on the Am); I confirmed it by running it through chordify.
(Also! There are also E7 chords in after the Dm’s; makes a nice transition back to the Am.)
Happy playing!

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